samll plane noise

Yep and the answer's the same, fvck off back in your hole.
"daffy" wrote in message
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I thought it was time to complain again.

Larry Dighera wrote:
On 10 Aug 2006 13:28:39 -0700, "daffy"
wrote in .com:

The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise.

Here's the answer you got to the same question last January:

From: Don Tuite
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Planes drone out MLK celebration
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:51:33 GMT

On 17 Jan 2006 10:18:20 -0800, "daffy"
wrote:

First, the city we are talking about is Newark, not Norwalk.

Second, the small plane (GA) traffic is NON-STOP, where
a new plane passes overhead every 60 seconds or so
everyday, so this plane noise was not done delibertly
during the ML King celebration.

It was hard to hear the speaker while planes flew above
the event.

Yes, the noise lasts only 20 seconds, and if only a few planes
per hour were out, it wouldn't be an issue, but the airspace
above Newark is a pilots fancy.

This complaint makes sense. Planes heading for San Carlos, Palo
Alto, Reid Hillview, Hayward, and to some extent, Oakland tend to
exit the Livermore valley via the Sunol gap. The gravel ponds at
Niles are sort of a waypoint, and Lake Elizabeth marks a step
transition in the base of the San Francisco class B, so it's
another airplane magnet. Going west or north, the reporting point
for San Carlos is the Coyote Hills, which is a little north of the
Dumbarton Bridge tollboth. Inbound Palo Alto pilots report the
Nummi plant or the salt pile, a little to the south. I'm not sure
where the Hayward reporting point is from the south, but it's got
to be right around there. A little further south and you're in San
Jose's airspace. That actually protects Milpitas because flying
east of 680 puts you out of San Jose airspace.

The result is that Newark and Fremont take it in the shorts.

I don't have a solution, but the poster is by no means talking
through his hat.

Well, I do know one thing that makes logistical sense. Move Palo
Alto GA and San Jose freight to Moffet.

Don

On 10 Aug 2006 13:28:39 -0700, "daffy"
wrote:
The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
irritating.

The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
banned.

Although you sound like a yet another anti-aviation troll who bought a
house near an airport without researching it first, perhaps you would
like to post your latitude and longitude so that we can either avoid
your location if at all possible, tell you why you might be noticing a
lot of aircraft, or at the very least, fly by and wag our wings in an
aviation version of "hello"...

Interestingly, your IP address indicates that you are near Pasadena,
not the Bay Area... Perhaps you have more more problems than a bit of
buzzing in the air... One might hazard to guess that you should at
least know which ****in' part of the state you live in?

Don't do that. The pilots all know there is no enforcement, and they will
retaliate by buzzing your house since you have the audacity to complain
about noise.


Here is the mentality you are fighting:
http://www.stopthenoise.org/Pilot%20Talk.htm

You need to go to the press, organize other victims, and go to the
politicians en masse. It is extremely hard to fight the FAA/AOPA cabal,
but it is possible if you are persistent and do your research.

"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Don't do that. The pilots all know there is no enforcement, and they will
retaliate by buzzing your house since you have the audacity to complain
about noise.

If ALL pilots know there is no enforcement, why haven't I buzzed your house
yet?

"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

Don't do that. The pilots all know there is no enforcement, and they
will retaliate by buzzing your house since you have the audacity to
complain about noise.


Here is the mentality you are fighting:
http://www.stopthenoise.org/Pilot%20Talk.htm

You need to go to the press, organize other victims, and go to the
politicians en masse. It is extremely hard to fight the FAA/AOPA cabal,
but it is possible if you are persistent and do your research.

Victims? Fight? What are you fighting for? What are you a victim of?

America is a country that is founded on principles of freedom and
democracy.

Pilots are free to fly in this country once they have demonstrated that
they can do so safely. In a similar manner, drivers are free to drive in
this country once they have demonstrated they can do so safely.

I'm sorry that your house is in a noisy spot. I assure you that pilots do
their best to pick practice areas that are in remote locations so as to
disturb the fewest people possible.

People may hear airplane noise if they bought houses in those areas. If it
disturbs them, that is certainly unfortunate.

The solution of creating no fly zones over your house because you are
annoyed by the noise is ludicrous. The US Government was not established
to protect a very small set of citizens from their own bad choices, poor
due diligence, or just plain bad luck.

Perhaps you should consider staying inside and turning the TV on to
eliminate the noise. Or if that is not acceptable, I can offer a good
source of inexpensive earplugs. Of course, neither I nor the US
Government, would ever attempt to restrict you from moving somewhere else
that is not in the practice area of an airport. Why would you think that
the government would attempt to restrict me from flying in your
neighborhood if I am doing so safely?

Do you believe that you have more rights than I do to the air above your
head? I'm afraid you don't own the air that circulates above or around
your person or property. Even if you breathe that air, it's just on loan,
as it will be expelled out of you shortly afterward, ultimately to be
shared by someone else.

If it disturbs you that much, I can recommend several places where you can
move to and be guaranteed not to hear small airplanes. There are countries
that restrict air travel by any other than military personnel. As such,
the likelihood of encountering airplane noise will be limited.
Unfortunately, these countries have other rules in place that restrict the
freedoms of their population and you may be affected by them. Especially
if you are of American descent. And I cannot guarantee your safety there
either, as many of these countries are in constant states of war and
rebellion, or intense poverty and corruption.

And while it may not even be quiet, you certainly won't have to worry
about airplane noise...

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:58:42 GMT, Judah wrote:
I'm sorry that your house is in a noisy spot. I assure you that pilots do
their best to pick practice areas that are in remote locations so as to
disturb the fewest people possible.

Maybe you do, but I'm more interested in it having plenty of alternate
landing spots (i.e. large fields)... Of course this usually also
results in disturbing the fewest people possible, but that is rather
low on my priority list...

daffy wrote:
...
The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
banned.


"Small" misspelled notwithstanding, an appropriate usenet
poster name on this topic?? Anyway, I live on 3/4 mile
centerline from the field where my small plane is based.
Small plane noise is no biggie, and my neighbors don't bitch
at all. Even bizjets -- if not the newer generation which
are really quiet, their velocities are such the event is
half over through one's reaction time.

Like what really frosts me is noise from neighbors' lawn
mowers, especially lawn tractors. I mean they're really
nice people and all, but if I can afford a small plane, why
those people should have the common courtesy to buy
top-shelf, with a real good muffler, like one new John Deere
I heard. Why, I never realized how loud my cheapass
Craftsman weed eater was, 'til I replaced it with actually
another cheapass Toro on sale but starts real quick. I
couldn't look like a dork wearing hearing protection like
the instructions show, especially when neighbors know I fly
a little airplane up there on departure from said field.

Ooooh....the event which makes me so mad I could get myself
arrested. Like the music from the ice cream vans cruising
at 5 mph. If I hear Scott Joplin in annoying electronic
tones at 85dB just one more time (like little kids recognize
Scott Joplin), I just might grab a shotgun and take out
those big bullhorn speakers atop the van. Those disgusting
little kiddies (a la W. C. Fields) just gotta have their ice
cream on Mommy's money on a hot day, or the small
businessman driving the van is just trying to earn a living.

Gotta be nice to have so few problems that what minor,
fleeting, things other people do can be such a nuisance.
Like seeing folks driving and yapping on a cell phone in
probably a pure social call, esp one of the two genders. To
self: enough already!! ;-)

Fred F.

daffy wrote:
....
The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
banned.

Who are you to tell the FAA what they should do?
And why do you think it should be announced on a newsgroup concerned
with pilot issues?
Keep your day job -- you'll never make it as a politican!

"daffy" wrote in message
oups.com...
The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
irritating.

The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
banned.

Presumably, your lawnmower is silent?

People in glass houses...

Troll troll troll your boat...

On an aviation theme I blew my Commercial checkride yesterday. Completely
zoned during the accuracy landings in my instructor's Bonanza. Bah. 100 feet
sounds like a lot, but not when you're trying to hit a spot that size doing
75 mph.

Time for more practice.


"daffy" wrote in message
oups.com...
The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
irritating.

The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
banned.