Collision alert!

The,

I couldn't name one, or even imagine one.

Well, I can. I'm German. I learned about the phrase the hard way.


--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

Jon Kraus wrote:
What's incorrect about No Joy? It is only two syllables instead of the
seven for Negative Contact and not considered "banter" at all.

Because it's not in the standard phraseology that is designated by the
AIM and the ATC Handbook as conveying the information. "I have
Contact" is more of an issue because it almost sounds like the
proper phraseology for the OPPOSITE meaning.

No Joy tends to get heavily used for many negative responses and
doesn't specifically mean that I have not located the conflicting
traffic.

NEGATIVE CONTACT specifically means that. It doesn't mean anything
else.

Negative Contact is only 5 syllables...

Syllable count is not the definition of communications clarity.
If it were all ATC communications would be abbreviated to single
words and mike clicks (don't get me started).

Jon Kraus wrote:
What's incorrect about No Joy? It is only two syllables instead of the
seven for Negative Contact and not considered "banter" at all.

Thank you to whoever pointed out that not all of us are well-versed in
military radio terminology! That's not part of private pilot training,
and while you and the controllers may understand what you're doing, that
excludes non-military pilots sharing the airspace.

I heard someone use the term "Tally Ho" not long ago ... are we all
supposed to know that means he has the traffic? are we supposed to be
impressed? "Traffic in sight" is one extra syllable (so what?), but
military and non-military understand that he sees it and no further
dialogue is required. Seems like a no-brainer.

I heard a controller once say "my bad", meaning his mistake, probably
not standard phraseology either. But I appreciate the post with the
correct words; it's been so long since I've heard them used I'd
forgotton what they were.

What really irks me is the action TV shows (24, Unit) where they say
"I have a visual". Can't they just say "I see him/it/whatever"??

are we supposed to be
impressed?


That's the whole point of using these silly phrases, IMHO.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

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Jon Kraus wrote:
What's incorrect about No Joy? It is only two syllables instead of the
seven for Negative Contact and not considered "banter" at all.

Because it's not in the standard phraseology that is designated by the
AIM and the ATC Handbook as conveying the information. "I have
Contact" is more of an issue because it almost sounds like the
proper phraseology for the OPPOSITE meaning.

No Joy tends to get heavily used for many negative responses and
doesn't specifically mean that I have not located the conflicting
traffic.

NEGATIVE CONTACT specifically means that. It doesn't mean anything
else.

Do you folk use the phrase LOOKING ? (means the same thing, can't see
it, but am trying to).

--
Duncan

Do you folk use the phrase LOOKING ? (means the same thing, can't see
it, but am trying to).

All the time.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

Dave Doe wrote:

Do you folk use the phrase LOOKING ? (means the same thing, can't see
it, but am trying to).

I do, but it usually slips out by habit and I am trying to stop it.
"Looking" is implied in the phrase, "no contact," for I cannot imagine any
pilot replying with a "no contact" and then ceases to continue to look for
the called traffic.


--
Peter

Greg Copeland wrote:

"Collision alert! Collision alert! Collision alert!"

The AIM has a section on reporting near mid-air collisions. Would this
incident qualify?

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:
Greg Copeland wrote:

"Collision alert! Collision alert! Collision alert!"

The AIM has a section on reporting near mid-air collisions. Would this
incident qualify?

He could always fill out a ASRS form...