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Well .. why does it say on the DUATS FAQ that it is. They lying? They're
paid
by the FAA. I would contend that having a DUATS briefing would sure go
a long way to saving your hide, but the FAA can do anything they want with
you if you bust a reg. My choice is to have the briefing on my side.

We're required to make ourselves aware of all available information relevant
to a flight. I look at ADDS, print a Duats briefing, check NOTAMS, check
the graphical TFRs, talk to Center and Flight Watch along the way. So far
that's kept me pretty aware
of all the things that might pop up.

So I'm not sure, Ron, where you're going with this. You're telling us all
the
things we've been taught are crap and we'll just get busted anyway. With
all your insight .. I'd sure like to have you list what you think each and
everyone
of us should do before we fly so we'll be totally legal.



"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...
Newps wrote:


That's no less or more legal than anything else.

You're screwed if you don't get all the appropriate information.
The fact that a government or government-contracted provider was
contacted and they failed to provide the information will not
save your hide in an enforcement action.

OtisWinslow wrote:
Well .. why does it say on the DUATS FAQ that it is. They lying? They're
paid
by the FAA. I would contend that having a DUATS briefing would sure go
a long way to saving your hide, but the FAA can do anything they want with
you if you bust a reg. My choice is to have the briefing on my side.

It will go NOWHERE TO SAVE YOUR HIDE if you violate one of the TSA-based
restrictions. DUAT can claim what ever they want...the truth of the matter
is you're going to be grounded if you violate these restrictions regardless
of what FSS, DUAT, or ATC tells you.

Welcome to the post-911 airspace system.

t will go NOWHERE TO SAVE YOUR HIDE if you violate one of the TSA-based
restrictions. DUAT can claim what ever they want...the truth of the matter
is you're going to be grounded if you violate these restrictions regardless

I would not worry about it. I call FSS file IFR and stay in contact with ATC.
Cannot do more that that.
Comments appreciated
Hank

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
m...

is you're going to be grounded if you violate these restrictions
regardless
of what FSS, DUAT, or ATC tells you.


You just repeated what I said .. the FAA can do what they want to us. So are
you simply advocating we give up flying? I asked for what YOU in all
your wisdom think we should do to keep from flying into a TFR and being
busted since you've announced that no one in the govt can tell us where
these secret TFRs are with any reliablity and we're responsible for what
we don't know and no one can tell us. Who do you advocate we should
talk to? You've told us we're all stupid for relying on the normal sources
of info .. clue us in there, SuperPilot. What do you know that we don't????