Crashing on takeoff... how odd

Bob Gardner wrote:

Airplanes are heavier on takeoff than at any other time, and the margin
between their climb speeds and the stall is at its smallest. Ask anyone who
has done a V1 cut in training or on a checkride (jets only). I'm willing to
venture that the pilots of the accident plane did all of the appropriate
calculations for the longer runway. Seems to me that if a plane is cleared
for takeoff on a long runway but lines up on a shorter runway, there is a
lot of blame to be shared between the cockpit and the tower.

If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?


ATC will no doubt be assigned a share of the blame. But if the pilot
reports ready to go at the assigned runway when he's actually at a different
one, and there is a Comair at the assigned runway, it's easy for the local
controller to miss the error.

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
...

If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?



ATC will no doubt be assigned a share of the blame. But if the pilot
reports ready to go at the assigned runway when he's actually at a different
one, and there is a Comair at the assigned runway, it's easy for the local
controller to miss the error.

I certainly always appreciate when ATC catches a mistake that I make or
am about to make, but as PIC the bottom line is that it is still my
responsibility for any errors, not ATC's.

Matt

Matt Whiting wrote:



I certainly always appreciate when ATC catches a mistake that I make or
am about to make, but as PIC the bottom line is that it is still my
responsibility for any errors, not ATC's.

Jets take a long time to take off so if he used the wrong runway the
question will certainly arise as to what the tower controller was
looking at. My guess is the coffee pot. The controller would have had
about 1 minute after issuing the clearance to notice that he was using
the wrong runway. And looking at the airport diagram this would be an
area well known to controllers for aircraft using the wrong runway. We
have one here at BIL. Ask for a certain intersection and don't turn all
the way onto the runway and you are using the last 700 feet of another
runway. We've had one crash, one near crash and a bunch of aborts from
pilots who weren't paying attention.

Newps wrote:
.... And looking at the airport diagram this would be an
area well known to controllers for aircraft using the wrong runway. We
have one here at BIL. Ask for a certain intersection and don't turn all
the way onto the runway and you are using the last 700 feet of another
runway. We've had one crash, one near crash and a bunch of aborts from
pilots who weren't paying attention.

Foxtrot onto 7 instead of 10? Ouch!!

skym wrote:

Newps wrote:
... And looking at the airport diagram this would be an

area well known to controllers for aircraft using the wrong runway. We
have one here at BIL. Ask for a certain intersection and don't turn all
the way onto the runway and you are using the last 700 feet of another
runway. We've had one crash, one near crash and a bunch of aborts from
pilots who weren't paying attention.


Foxtrot onto 7 instead of 10? Ouch!!


Yep, a Cessna or Bonanza will make it, yer ground loving Mooney's are
**** out of luck.

Matt Whiting wrote:

I certainly always appreciate when ATC catches a mistake that I make or am about to
make, but as PIC the bottom line is that it is still my responsibility for any errors, not
ATC's.


And since in the instant case he's the only survivor, what he'll have
to say will make for interesting reading, although the loss of lives is
irreversible

Ramapriya

Matt Whiting wrote in
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If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?

"Judah" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote in
:

If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct runway?


He's not. He said IF the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in
nk.net:


"Judah" wrote in message
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Matt Whiting wrote in
:

If the tower cleared the airplane to the correct runway and the pilots
taxied to a different one, how does the tower share in this blame?

On what basis are you assuming that he was cleared to the correct
runway?


He's not. He said IF the tower cleared the airplane to the correct
runway.


I read the inflection of the "If" as a statement of presumption, not as the
subject of the query. But you're right - I could have misread the intent.