Crashing on takeoff... how odd

john smith wrote
All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for
it, but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

PROVING FLIGHTS....but that does not include ALL Pilots.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

With us familiarization flights were only required into special fields that
presented real problems if the pilot was not fully aware of them. If they
could be programmed into the flight simulator it was done there.

--
Darrell R. Schmidt
B-58 Hustler History: (see below)
http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/

"Bob Moore" wrote in message
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john smith wrote
All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for
it, but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

PROVING FLIGHTS....but that does not include ALL Pilots.

Bob Moore
PanAm (retired)

I can't find anything in Part 121 to support this assertion...but maybe I'm
not using the correct search arguments. Do you have a regulation citation?

Bob Gardner

"john smith" wrote in message
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"Montblack" wrote:

Aren't all airline pilots required to operate from the field before
they
carry passengers from it?

I've never heard of this before.

All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for it,
but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Having said that, I wonder if they are given credit for using the sim to
fullfil this requirement in these days of high level simulators?

In article ,
"Bob Gardner" wrote:

I can't find anything in Part 121 to support this assertion...but maybe I'm
not using the correct search arguments. Do you have a regulation citation?

I don't have a cite reference.
It is something I remember being told 30+ years ago.

Bob Gardner wrote
I can't find anything in Part 121 to support this assertion...but
maybe I'm not using the correct search arguments. Do you have a
regulation citation?

I think that this is what John is talking about:

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/e...volume2/media/
2_076_00.pdf

D. Airport Operations. An operator/program manager must conduct a
representative number of proving tests into airports that the
operator/program manager plans to serve in approved OpSpecs
scheduled/unscheduled or approved MSpecs operations. If an operator/program
manager plans to provide service to airports in more than one area
(domestic and overseas), the operator/program manager must conduct proving
tests into a representative number of those areas. The Administrator will
determine what constitutes a representative airport or area of en route
operation.

We used to call them 'Proving Flights'. I have flown them for 3-4 newly
certificated airlines.

Bob Moore

"john smith" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Montblack" wrote:

Aren't all airline pilots required to operate from the field before
they
carry passengers from it?

I've never heard of this before.

All aircarriers are required to fly prescribed familiarization flights
into and out of any airport they intend to serve several times without
passengers before they begin passenger service. (There is a term for it,
but old age prevents me from recalling what it is.)

Route check.

Al G