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Old September 2nd 06, 03:02 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Noel
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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

Can European airspace possibly be more congested than that in the US,
say Chicago or Los Angeles?


Enroute? yeah, I think so.

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Old August 31st 06, 03:23 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting
Ron Lee
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Stefan wrote:

Bob Noel schrieb:

I know the advantages from an ATC POV, but what is the advantage for
the aircraft owner?


To be allowed to fly in controlled airspace at all? In Europe, Mode S
will be mandated, because ATC claims Mode C reaches its limits. This
means in the forseeable futu No Mode S, no fly in controlled airspace.

Stefan


We will see. Such a mandate will meet considerable opposition. Same
as GA user fees. Heck, the FAA has not even started any sort of 406
MHh ELT mandate to my knowledge. (USA applicability)

Ron Lee


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Old August 31st 06, 05:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting
Thomas Borchert
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Ron,

We will see. Such a mandate will meet considerable opposition.


Not in Europe. We have seen, here. It has met considerable opposition -
and has been mandated nonetheless.

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Old September 1st 06, 01:14 AM posted to rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting
Bob Noel
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In article ,
Stefan wrote:

I know the advantages from an ATC POV, but what is the advantage for
the aircraft owner?


To be allowed to fly in controlled airspace at all? In Europe, Mode S
will be mandated, because ATC claims Mode C reaches its limits. This
means in the forseeable futu No Mode S, no fly in controlled airspace.


Sorry. I should have clarified that my question was applicable to the US NAS.
I do understand the European requirements for Mode S, 8.33, ACAS, etc etc.
But in the US, Mode S is still just a solution looking for a problem.

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Old August 31st 06, 10:09 PM posted to rec.aviation.owning,rec.aviation.piloting
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"Mark Manes" wrote

FSM where I'mbased had TIS for the first year after I installed the Garmin
but theyupgraded the radar (to ASR 11, I believe) and are not going to turn
TIS onfor whatever reason.MarkN28409WC5I"Andrew Gideon"
wrote in messagenewsan.2006.08.30.23.39.09.697508@gideon. org... On Tue,
29 Aug 2006 23:34:27 -0400, Doug Vetter wrote: The FAA is continuing to
invest in Mode-S radars (the ASR-11 is replacing the ASR 7, 8, and 9 units
that currently support TIS), so an investmentin the airborne component is
still a wise move and will be for MANY years. Aside from TIS, what is the
benefit (either to the pilot or ATC) of modeS? - Andrew

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