NATCA Going Down in Flames

He was dressed like a bum! What a hypocrite!

AND I was drinking alcohol!

Dang, I should fire myself, and claim unemployment...

But then I'd have to *deny* myself unemployment, on the grounds that it
is all a scam...

But then I'd have to *sue* myself for falsely denying my claim, to the
tune of tens of millions of dollars. Punitive damages could be
astronomical...

Ah, what a lovely retirement plan...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

I guess we Iowans have better-dressed bums than you do...

:-)


Why do you allow your employees to dress like bums?

On 4 Sep 2006 06:20:32 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in .com:

If an employer can't even set a
dress code without inciting a union grievance, what does that say about
the attitude of their employees?

I failed to find any mention of a grievance in what you posted.

Jay Honeck wrote:
If an employer can't even set a
dress code without inciting a union grievance, what does that say about
the attitude of their employees?

It doesn't say anything. Union membership is plummeting. We have only
3 out of 18 here. Mostly because of issues like this. We might have 1
left that belongs to the union next March, the only month you can quit
the union, by the way.

If an employer can't even set a
dress code without inciting a union grievance, what does that say about
the attitude of their employees?

If the employer is setting and enforcing a dress code for people who
work in the back room, what does that say about the employer? I frankly
don't care if they work naked.

Jose
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On Mon, 04 Sep 2006 16:04:31 GMT, Jose
wrote in :

I frankly don't care if they work naked.

EDS and Ross Perot* would have a problem with you. :-)

Of course, Mr. Honeck might not have a problem with the practices at
EDS.

* http://www.realchange.org/perot.htm

Of course, Mr. Honeck might not have a problem with the practices at
EDS.

Okay, I give. What the heck is "EDS"?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
Of course, Mr. Honeck might not have a problem with the practices at
EDS.

Okay, I give. What the heck is "EDS"?

Ross Perot's (former?) company.

On 4 Sep 2006 15:17:06 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in .com:

Of course, Mr. Honeck might not have a problem with the practices at
EDS.

Okay, I give. What the heck is "EDS"?

EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM.
They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices
(as did Henry Ford):

http://www.realchange.org/perot.htm
Abusing His Employees
Perot is by all accounts a great motivator, a man who demands
great loyalty and extreme hard work from employees, but also can
repay it with striking acts of generosity (though rarely much in
the way of wages.) He has done things like fly a new employee's
wife to Johns Hopkins Hospital in his Lear Jet, after she injured
her eye.

At the same time, the relationship he creates is one where Perot
is all-powerful, and bestows his generosities from on high. He
works people extremely hard for little money, and subjects them to
intrusive scrutiny, including private investigators, wiretaps,
drug tests and lie detector tests.

In this regard, he bears a striking resemblance to Ralph Nader, of
all people, who also inspires great loyalty, pushes himself at
least as hard as he pushes his employees, burns people out for
little money, and seems to feel he has a right to monitor and
control their lives.

For example, discussing salaries has been an immediate firing
offense from the first days at EDS, Perot's company. The company
dress code, up into the 1970s, required white shirts only for men
(he considered blue shirts effeminate), no pants or flats for
women, and no "mod looks," as the contract put it. But the
intrusion went much further.

EDS tapped phones and used detectives to investigate its own
employees, according to Posner. He traced license plate numbers in
the parking lot to see who came late or left early, just as Nader
telephones employees at home on sunny weekends to test how long
they work. And in "particularly heated" fights for contracts,
employees on the bid team would be physically searched to ensure
they did not remove any paperwork that could assist the
opposition. (Posner, p94-5)


http://www.vault.com/survey/employee...YEER-3100.html

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM.
They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices
(as did Henry Ford):


Ross Perot is also the man who moved heaven and hell to get his people out
of Iran when the Shah was ousted...

As for Henry Ford, he may not have been as draconian as a lot of people
think. My maternal grandfather went to work for ol' Henry after graduating
from Ford's first industrial education program. I've been told by family
that any time Henry came down to the production floor, he would seek out my
grandfather, greeted him by name and would always inquire about his health
and happiness. It has also been said that Mr. Ford (in the early days)
maintained a fairly "open door policy" for his empoyees.

Perhaps once Ford Motor Company began it's exponential growth this practice
simply became untenable.

Jay B