NATCA Going Down in Flames

Jay Honeck has started one of the most interesting threads in a long
time. 0-160 comments in less then a day,, WOW. Reading all sides of the
issues is pretty damn entertaining and ya got to admit, We do live in a
great country and that first amendment thing is a wonderful thing too..
G

One can clearly see who is a union member, and who is not, thats for
sure..

Ok Jay, for your next assignment if you wish to accept is to start a
thread on politics or religion. This suggestion will self destruct in
20 seconds......

Ben.



Jay Beckman wrote:
"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM.
They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices
(as did Henry Ford):


Ross Perot is also the man who moved heaven and hell to get his people out
of Iran when the Shah was ousted...

As for Henry Ford, he may not have been as draconian as a lot of people
think. My maternal grandfather went to work for ol' Henry after graduating
from Ford's first industrial education program. I've been told by family
that any time Henry came down to the production floor, he would seek out my
grandfather, greeted him by name and would always inquire about his health
and happiness. It has also been said that Mr. Ford (in the early days)
maintained a fairly "open door policy" for his empoyees.

Perhaps once Ford Motor Company began it's exponential growth this practice
simply became untenable.

Jay B

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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On 4 Sep 2006 15:17:06 -0700, "Jay Honeck" wrote
in .com:

Of course, Mr. Honeck might not have a problem with the practices at
EDS.

Okay, I give. What the heck is "EDS"?

EDS is Electronic Data Systems, Inc., the folks that do IT for GM.
They have a reputation in the industry for draconian labor practices
(as did Henry Ford):

http://www.realchange.org/perot.htm
Abusing His Employees
Perot is by all accounts a great motivator, a man who demands
great loyalty and extreme hard work from employees, but also can
repay it with striking acts of generosity (though rarely much in
the way of wages.) He has done things like fly a new employee's
wife to Johns Hopkins Hospital in his Lear Jet, after she injured
her eye.

At the same time, the relationship he creates is one where Perot
is all-powerful, and bestows his generosities from on high. He
works people extremely hard for little money, and subjects them to
intrusive scrutiny, including private investigators, wiretaps,
drug tests and lie detector tests.

In this regard, he bears a striking resemblance to Ralph Nader, of
all people, who also inspires great loyalty, pushes himself at
least as hard as he pushes his employees, burns people out for
little money, and seems to feel he has a right to monitor and
control their lives.

For example, discussing salaries has been an immediate firing
offense from the first days at EDS, Perot's company. The company
dress code, up into the 1970s, required white shirts only for men
(he considered blue shirts effeminate), no pants or flats for
women, and no "mod looks," as the contract put it. But the
intrusion went much further.

EDS tapped phones and used detectives to investigate its own
employees, according to Posner. He traced license plate numbers in
the parking lot to see who came late or left early, just as Nader
telephones employees at home on sunny weekends to test how long
they work. And in "particularly heated" fights for contracts,
employees on the bid team would be physically searched to ensure
they did not remove any paperwork that could assist the
opposition. (Posner, p94-5)


http://www.vault.com/survey/employee...YEER-3100.html

Also, in the company cafeteria, unmarried men and women were not allowed to
sit together.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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The fact that tours can be arranged argues for them to not look like
bums.


I sometimes get deliveries from UPS, the drivers wear shorts in the summer.
They don't look like bums to me. Why do you think they do? Have you ever
seen actual bums wearing shorts?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
nk.net...

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...

The fact that tours can be arranged argues for them to not look like
bums.


I sometimes get deliveries from UPS, the drivers wear shorts in the
summer. They don't look like bums to me. Why do you think they do? Have
you ever seen actual bums wearing shorts?


UPS has an extremely strict dress code. Wanna guess what happens to drivers
that don't comply?

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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UPS has an extremely strict dress code. Wanna guess what happens to
drivers that don't comply?

I'd expect they'd be fired.