Alternate same as departure?

I should have mentioned I wouldn't depart if it didn't qualify as an
alternate.

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On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:54:29 -0600, "dlevy" wrote:

Can you file the departure airport as the alternate?


Does it qualify as an alternate?


Two airports in the middle of nowhere 40 miles apart. I can't think of
another reasonable option.

dlevy wrote:
I should have mentioned I wouldn't depart if it didn't qualify as an
alternate.

Why not?

Because I would use the qualification as an alternate as a reasonable way to
get back on the ground.

"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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dlevy wrote:
I should have mentioned I wouldn't depart if it didn't qualify as an
alternate.

Why not?

On Tue, 7 Dec 2004 10:39:22 -0600, "dlevy" wrote:

Because I would use the qualification as an alternate as a reasonable way to
get back on the ground.

The qualifications for an alternate have nothing to do with a
reasonable way to get back on the ground, except by coincidence.

Alternates are used for computing legal fuel requirements.

What you do to get back on the ground will depend on circumstances at
the time.

There's a huge difference between "alternate" and "alternative".



"Ron Natalie" wrote in message
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dlevy wrote:
I should have mentioned I wouldn't depart if it didn't qualify as an
alternate.

Why not?

On Mon, 06 Dec 2004 21:13:25 GMT, wrote:

On Mon, 6 Dec 2004 11:54:29 -0600, "dlevy" wrote:

Can you file the departure airport as the alternate?


Does it qualify as an alternate?

You can file it as the destination too.

I filed from 3BS direct MBS VOR, LAN, AMN, 3BS.
There was a pause and the briefer said, I think I can see a way to
save you a lot of gas if you are willing to go direct.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

Two airports in the middle of nowhere 40 miles apart. I can't think of
another reasonable option.

Roger wrote:
I filed from 3BS direct MBS VOR, LAN, AMN, 3BS.
There was a pause and the briefer said, I think I can see a way to
save you a lot of gas if you are willing to go direct.

:-)

Actually, I've filed similar plans with Lansing, and they wouldn't let
me. They insisted that I file at least 2 plans, one departing Midland
and the other departing Lansing.

I've also tried to file flight plans with the alternate the same as the
departure, and they wouldn't take it. I didn't argue, and just gave
another nearby alternate (e.g. DET instead of PTK).

"Brien K. Meehan" wrote in
oups.com:

Actually, I've filed similar plans with Lansing, and they wouldn't let
me. They insisted that I file at least 2 plans, one departing Midland
and the other departing Lansing.

I've also tried to file flight plans with the alternate the same as the
departure, and they wouldn't take it. I didn't argue, and just gave
another nearby alternate (e.g. DET instead of PTK).

Not all FSS specialists know everything they need to know.

--
Regards,

Stan

I've also tried to file flight plans with the alternate the same as the
departure, and they wouldn't take it. I didn't argue, and just gave
another nearby alternate (e.g. DET instead of PTK).

They have no basis to refuse to take it. The alternate airport doesn't
even get processed into the system beyond the originating FSS.

I know of an operator who operates a Gulfstream 5 on a regular basis from
LAX to HNL. During the winter when the weather is really churning in the
islands with a tropical convergence and all that brings, he files LAX as
his alternate. Experience has shown that operator that since they can
carry the fuel it is sometimes better to turn around should things be
nastier than forecast when they arrive in the area over there.

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I know of an operator who operates a Gulfstream 5 on a regular basis from
LAX to HNL. During the winter when the weather is really churning in the
islands with a tropical convergence and all that brings, he files LAX as
his alternate.

Wow. Talk about the mother of all 180 degree turns!

-cwk.

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I've also tried to file flight plans with the alternate the same as the
departure, and they wouldn't take it. I didn't argue, and just gave
another nearby alternate (e.g. DET instead of PTK).


They have no basis to refuse to take it. The alternate airport doesn't
even get processed into the system beyond the originating FSS.

I know of an operator who operates a Gulfstream 5 on a regular basis from
LAX to HNL. During the winter when the weather is really churning in the
islands with a tropical convergence and all that brings, he files LAX as
his alternate. Experience has shown that operator that since they can
carry the fuel it is sometimes better to turn around should things be
nastier than forecast when they arrive in the area over there.


A G5 can really fly from LAX to HNL back to LAX and still fly for 45
minutes more?

Matt