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The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE



 
 
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Old September 15th 06, 05:46 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE


"Skylune" wrote in message
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Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf




I looked at the info above and searched for South Arkansas which is my
airport. It quoted as service level of GA which is how I'm assuming you are
getting that it is a GA only airport. The only problem... This airport does
have scheduled commercial service by Mesa airlines and the specific work
done was primarily for them and the jets that fly for Murphy Oil Corp.

While Murphy Oil Corp is GA they raised over 2 million dollars of private
money for airport & terminal improvements which is a pretty good considering
we only got ~$800,000 in Federal grants.


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Old September 15th 06, 06:07 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Tom Conner
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE


"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding
deriving from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare
that to 2005 capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL
2005 DATA below. (Note that these figures DO NOT include the
$150K annual operating subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


What are the definitions for the acronyms in the "Service Level" column?
The local GA airports that received grants are listed as "R" in this column.


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Old September 15th 06, 06:41 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Ron Lee
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Default The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

"Tom Conner" wrote:


"Skylune" wrote in message
alkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding
deriving from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare
that to 2005 capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL
2005 DATA below. (Note that these figures DO NOT include the
$150K annual operating subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


What are the definitions for the acronyms in the "Service Level" column?
The local GA airports that received grants are listed as "R" in this column.


R is probably "reliever" which is the status of my airport.

Ron Lee



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Old September 15th 06, 07:02 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Ron Lee" wrote in message
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R is probably "reliever" which is the status of my airport.


And what does a "reliever" provide relief for?


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Old September 15th 06, 07:03 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Yes. Be conservative. Add up only the grants to airports listed as GA
(knowing that R and P categories also use GA, sometimes exclusively GA),
then compare to the amount of AV gas taxes.

Guess which number is MUCH larger. (Of course the grants to large
passenger airports like O'Hare is large -- don't include those numbers).

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Old September 15th 06, 07:06 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Skylune" wrote in message
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Yes. Be conservative. Add up only the grants to airports listed as GA


But some of those have air carrier service.



(knowing that R and P categories also use GA, sometimes exclusively GA),
then compare to the amount of AV gas taxes.


What are the R and P categories?


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Old September 15th 06, 07:30 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 17:07:28 GMT, "Tom Conner"
wrote:


"Skylune" wrote in message
alkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding
deriving from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare
that to 2005 capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL
2005 DATA below. (Note that these figures DO NOT include the
$150K annual operating subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf


What are the definitions for the acronyms in the "Service Level" column?
The local GA airports that received grants are listed as "R" in this column.


The meanings of "service level" a

P - Primary airport: Large, medium, and small Hubs and non-hubs with
more than 10,000 annual emplanements. Received $1,109.8 million in
grants in 2004.

CS - Commercial Service: Between 2,500 and 10,000 annual emplanements.
Received $137.9 million in grants.

R - Reliever airports: 100 or more based GA aircraft and 25,000
annual itinerant operations. Received $209.4 million in grants.

GA - General Aviation airport: No scheduled commercial service and not
CS. Typically 1 per county in rural areas. Average 33 based aircraft.
Home for 40% of GA fleet. Received $540.2 million in grants.

RK Henry
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Old September 15th 06, 09:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"RK Henry" wrote in message
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GA - General Aviation airport: No scheduled commercial service and not
CS. Typically 1 per county in rural areas. Average 33 based aircraft.
Home for 40% of GA fleet. Received $540.2 million in grants.


Then there is at least one mistake in the document because it lists the
grants received by South Arkansas Regional Airport as "GA" and we have
scheduled service


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Old September 15th 06, 06:35 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Skylune" wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....


Looks like they are classifying airline improvements as GA.

Take a look at Worcester Regional. The improvements were done specifically
to attract an airline, but they're listed as GA.

Why is Westover Airforce Base listed as GA?



http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...rants_2005.pdf





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Old September 15th 06, 07:01 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Steve Foley" wrote in message
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Why is Westover Airforce Base listed as GA?


Westover Air Reserve Base, aka Westover Metropolitan Airport, hasn't been an
Air Force Base since 1974.


 




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