The subsidies to GA are MASSIVE

"Skylune" wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving
from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005
capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below.
(Note that these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating
subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff..._histories/med
ia/grants_2005.pdf




A quick look at this report for airports I'm personally familiar with
shows that you have no comprehension whatsoever of what you are talking
about.

Several of the airports listed as GA are served by air freight
carriers such as FedEx, which operate under Part 91, which governs GA.

One interesting entry is for Moffett Field, formerly a Navy base. It
is listed as GA but it is not open to the public. It's use is pretty much
NASA and air freight from Lockheed. When POTUS comes to the area, it is
used by Air Force One.

Sacramento Mather, formerly an Air Force base, listed as R, is where
air freight to the Sacremento area was moved to from Sacramento
International.

Other "GA" airports receiving grants are CDF (California Department of
Forestry) fire bomber bases.

Many of the environmental studies being funded by the AIP grants are
mandated by the federal government.

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Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving from
GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005 capital
grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below. (Note that
these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating subsidy that many
GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...ies/media/gran
ts_2005.pdf

Why single out GA in the first place? What about subsidies for bicycle
lanes? When the Dumbarton Bridge was built across San Francisco Bay,
they spent $4 million to install bicycle lanes, which may get two or
three bicycles a week using them.

Tell you what, Loon: Cut out all the rest of the "unnecessary"
subsidies, then let's talk about GA subsidies.

Orval Fairbairn wrote in
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In article
outaviation.com,
"Skylune" wrote:

Now that I have again provided the amount of annual funding deriving
from GA fuel taxes (including AV GAS and Jet A), compare that to 2005
capital grants to airports by looking at the ACTUAL 2005 DATA below.
(Note that these figures DO NOT include the $150K annual operating
subsidy that many GA airports receive.)

DAMN: the subsidies are enormous, as every informed person knows....

http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraff...histories/medi
a/gran ts_2005.pdf

Why single out GA in the first place? What about subsidies for bicycle
lanes? When the Dumbarton Bridge was built across San Francisco Bay,
they spent $4 million to install bicycle lanes, which may get two or
three bicycles a week using them.

Tell you what, Loon: Cut out all the rest of the "unnecessary"
subsidies, then let's talk about GA subsidies.

Why stop at transportation?

Perhaps we should have User Fees for the Welfare system?

Judah wrote:
snip

Why stop at transportation?

Perhaps we should have User Fees for the Welfare system?

You're forgetting, the poor people who use welfare can't help
themselves, whereas we pilots are filthy rich and can pay.

You know, I really wonder why someone which such hatred for GA posts in
a group like this.

In article ,
Emily wrote:

You know, I really wonder why someone which such hatred for GA posts in
a group like this.

(Not sniping at Emily) why do people insist on feeding the trolls?

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

Bob Noel wrote:
In article ,
Emily wrote:

You know, I really wonder why someone which such hatred for GA posts in
a group like this.

(Not sniping at Emily) why do people insist on feeding the trolls?

Alright, hand's been slapped, thread's been killed....

Bob Noel wrote:
(Not sniping at Emily) why do people insist on feeding the trolls?

The issue is relevant to this newsgroup and, IMHO, worth discussing[*]. The
information needed to support or refute skylune's assertions appear to be
available. I found it worthwhile and educational to track down facts to see
what the situation really is (and discovered it's complicated!)
[*] Unlike Jay Honeck's Arizona voter ID law thread, which you have even
responded to, but is, IMHO, technically trolling. I objected to that thread
but not this one....

Emily wrote:

Judah wrote:
snip


Why stop at transportation?
Perhaps we should have User Fees for the Welfare system?


You're forgetting, the poor people who use welfare can't help
themselves, whereas we pilots are filthy rich and can pay.

You know, I really wonder why someone which such hatred for GA posts in
a group like this.

Because people like that tend to live miserable lives of isolation as
they have no friends. Any attention is better than no attention, hence
the posts here.

Matt

"Matt Whiting" wrote:

Any attention is better than no attention,

The motto on every troll's wall.

Impact and wear due to heavy vehicles is DRAMATICALLY caused almost
exclusively by the heavy vehicles. If it was just cars on the road, the
damage to the road due to cars would be miniscule. It all comes from
heavy trucks and busses.

Much the same is true with runways and planes. The heavy planes do most
of the damage and require strong expensive runways. Light GA planes do
not need much in the way of pavement reinforcement.

For that matter most light GA aircraft don't need towers.

Still the guy has a point. The small, strickly GA airports get
subsidized. Having an airport is a point of pride in a community and
there is a safety aspect so far as medical transport goes. But maybe
raising the aviation fuel tax would be appropriate here, trying to get
GA to pay it's way.

There is a LOT of pork in almost all aspects of our economy. It's
downright scary. GA is getting govt subsidy, that is true.