Dress Code

Jay Honeck wrote:
They *are* openly slandering their *employer*
Are you able to provide some examples of the "slander" you mention?

Well, let's start by assigning cutesy, disrespectiful names to the
company CEO on a blog site.

Is that slander? No, I suppose legally it is not. It IS
insubordination,

Insubordination is refusing to obey orders. No one ever said you can't
make fun of your CEO. Ours has really bad hair, and we all know it and
have made comments. It doesn't mean we deserve to be fired.

"Emily" wrote in message
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Jay Honeck wrote:
They *are* openly slandering their *employer*
Are you able to provide some examples of the "slander" you mention?

Well, let's start by assigning cutesy, disrespectiful names to the
company CEO on a blog site.

Is that slander? No, I suppose legally it is not. It IS
insubordination,

Insubordination is refusing to obey orders. No one ever said you can't
make fun of your CEO. Ours has really bad hair, and we all know it and
have made comments. It doesn't mean we deserve to be fired.

If there is a corporate policy against such comments you could be
terminated. It also falls under harassment which is certainly a hot button
of recent years.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yes, what an indignity: a government agency forced to respect employees'
right to criticize the government. That certainly shows how evil unions
are.

They're not criticizing the "government" -- that is every Amercan's
right. They *are* openly slandering their *employer*

Their employer *is* the government. (And there's nothing resembling slander
here.)

--Gary

"Gary Drescher" wrote in message
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"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
Yes, what an indignity: a government agency forced to respect employees'
right to criticize the government. That certainly shows how evil unions
are.

They're not criticizing the "government" -- that is every Amercan's
right. They *are* openly slandering their *employer*

Their employer *is* the government. (And there's nothing resembling
slander here.)

--Gary



I think slander is the wrong word. But how about insubordination?

One of the things that makes this country a Great Country (I guess I am sort of patriotic) is the freedoms that we have. I am greatly disturbed when they are taken from us, and even more disturbed when we willingly give them up. There are many freedoms here, and most people don't use most of them. That's ok. There are many freedoms I don't use, and the freedom to say "yes" is meaningless without the freedom to say "no". But even if I say "no", I value the freedom to say "yes".

That is fundamental.

Imagine -- they've got a current employee,
on staff, who runs a website solely for the
purposes of impugning his employer!

Imagine that.

I have no quarrel with my employer (after all, I'm self employed), so if the freedom to impunge my employer were taken away from me, it wouldn't affect my daily life. But I think it's an important freedom, and part of what makes this country great.

And what a fool. He has neatly and succinctly documented his own
insubordination.

Imagine that. In this country, we are free to be stupid, in the eyes of others.

and publishing it worldwide?

I was taught in grade school history that the Constitution of the United States says we can do exactly that. Thousands of people died in order to preserve this freedom, and it is irrespective of whether or not you agree with what is being published. Imagine that. We can actually =publish= stupid things! And get away with it!

My respect for controllers could not have been more diminished.

Your respect for controllers must have been very thin indeed.

I've never seen an organization with a more
self-destructive workforce in my life

If the FAA operates with a staff as small as that documented on the website, maybe I should be worried. OTOH, if those individuals are the entirety of our national airspace control system, and they can actually make it work all by themselves.... gee, I'd double their pay and let them work naked with a chicken if they wanted to.

I have a suspicion however that what you are seeing is the personal opinion of a handful of people. Hardly something that I'd get my knickers in a twit about.

If any further evidence of the need to
privatize the FAA is necessary, I will be very surprised.

I really don't see the connection at all. A privatized FAA will in short order mean user fees for all small aircraft. In exchange, we might be granted the privilage of being worked by controllers who wear a suit and tie. Frankly, when I'm in an airplane, I don't see any reason to care what the controllers are wearing. I =do= see a reason to care whether or not they are happy working there. If they are not happy working there, I expect I will hear more of "Four two Victor, break off your practice approach at one thousand five hundred"... which of course makes the approach useless for currency or competence.

I never had any reason to disrespect
the individuals who made up the FAA. To
a man, they've always been
smart, kind, and professional.

They are the same people you've always been dealing with. You can either change your opinion of the people, or change your opinion of what constitutes "smart, kind, and professional". I'd actually reccomend you consider the latter.

Jose
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"Jose" wrote in message
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One of the things that makes this country a Great Country (I guess I am
sort of patriotic) is the freedoms that we have. I am greatly disturbed
when they are taken from us, and even more disturbed when we willingly
give them up. There are many freedoms here, and most people don't use
most of them. That's ok. There are many freedoms I don't use, and the
freedom to say "yes" is meaningless without the freedom to say "no". But
even if I say "no", I value the freedom to say "yes".

That is fundamental.

Imagine -- they've got a current employee,
on staff, who runs a website solely for the
purposes of impugning his employer!

Imagine that.

I have no quarrel with my employer (after all, I'm self employed), so if
the freedom to impunge my employer were taken away from me, it wouldn't
affect my daily life. But I think it's an important freedom, and part of
what makes this country great.

In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for immediate
termination as is insubordination. There is no such freedom as you have
described it.

That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch, he
rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he really
is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of some
egomaniacal twit with a tie.

Employers that make being a yes man a requirement for employment need to be
terminated.

mike

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
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In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for immediate
termination as is insubordination. There is no such freedom as you have
described it.

"mike regish" wrote in message
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That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch,
he rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he
really is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of
some egomaniacal twit with a tie.

And what forces the employee to stay? You need only to look in a mirror to
see the twit.

Employers that make being a yes man a requirement for employment need to
be terminated.

Nobody said anything about a yes man. You present the typical twisted union
attitude.

mike

"Dave Stadt" wrote in message
...

In most corporations bad mouthing the corporation is grounds for
immediate termination as is insubordination. There is no such freedom as
you have described it.

That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch, he
rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he really
is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of some
egomaniacal twit with a tie.

Mike, instead of cowering behind your union, you need to get out in
front of the curve, and really hang it out as the boss of your own
business. Maybe come up with a new way to make a better widget, and
set the world on fire. Really be a man, take some real risks, and face
the realities of the modern business world unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

Maybe it's time for you to see what it's like to trust your future and
your family's good fortune to employees that might care as little about
your company as you obviously do. It'll be an enlightening experience,
I assure you.

I think you've got the makings of a good entrepreneur. You've
certainly got the attitude.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

I so know where you are coming from but it's so narrow minded. Why not
accept graciously that some people are bosses, some are workers, some
are artists, and some are priests. If everyone measured their self
worth on the same scale, this would be a pretty sad and boring life.

It takes a village. I enjoy living in it.

Jay Honeck wrote:
That is exactly why we need unions. Any boss gets his panties in a bunch, he
rides the employee until the employee tells him just what an ass he really
is, so the employee, who is only human, loses his job because of some
egomaniacal twit with a tie.


Mike, instead of cowering behind your union, you need to get out in
front of the curve, and really hang it out as the boss of your own
business. Maybe come up with a new way to make a better widget, and
set the world on fire. Really be a man, take some real risks, and face
the realities of the modern business world unprotected by union rules
that allow you to remain employed despite hating everything and
everyone around you.

Maybe it's time for you to see what it's like to trust your future and
your family's good fortune to employees that might care as little about
your company as you obviously do. It'll be an enlightening experience,
I assure you.

I think you've got the makings of a good entrepreneur. You've
certainly got the attitude.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"