Please Ignore Mxsmanic

"Roger (K8RI)" wrote in message
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:24 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
wrote:

Hi Dudley,

What ever his reasoning he's asked some good questions. Questions that
make me think about how I do things and what I see out in the real
world. So, even if it's difficult to get some things across I really
think it's worth while...and as you said there is a certain
entertainment value involved in watching the threads progress.

Having to explain something that may be contrary to the way of
thinking of the explainee and then paraphrase it is one of the best
methods of learning:-))

Hi Roger;

I agree. This guy is, if nothing else, one of the more "interesting" people
I've run across on Usenet. Looking down the now empty threads this guy has
caused is like looking at a suicide. In almost every instance the pattern is
the same; an initial question followed by a response; then a complete
reversal from a questioning mode into an interrogation of the responder from
a position of authority and "superior knowledge. It's a classic Usenet hook!
This character however, seems at least to have an additional aspect to his
Usenet style that might take him right out of the troll category and onto a
higher level......or at least another level :-)
If I had to profile this guy and I had money to lay down, I'd say that what
we have been witnessing here is a guy who over time, and after fooling
around with MSFS, has learned a great deal from the experience, but from his
postings, I'd say that all that "learning" was done alone and without
assistance. The result has been,to my eye anyway, the ultimate development
of a mixed bag of knowledge containing just enough fact to get him into
trouble as the experts begin to expand on what he projects as questions and
comment.
Its interesting to watch :-)
There's another underlying facet to him that I've noticed in his postings.
Assuming he's not a troll in the true sense and just the obnoxious
individual he appears to be, I'm guessing that over time, teaching himself
with MSFS, he has convinced himself that although he can't fly, he COULD fly
if given the opportunity. In fact, based on his responses to those who
actually do fly, I'd say he has convinced himself that since he personally
has obtained all this knowledge without flying an actual airplane, those who
do fly actual airplanes have wasted a great deal of their money and time by
doing so. In other words, I think this guy sees himself on a plane (no pun
intended :-) ABOVE that of real pilots. He sees himself as smarter.
I think he's brought all this to Usenet to "test it" against real pilots. He
engages them with a question, then when they answer, he responds with what
he hopes will be a "hook" to nail them by showing them that he knows more
about the issue he's asking about than the responder.
Its fascinating to watch!!! :-))
Anyway, what makes it a tragedy is the fact that the guy obviously likes
airplanes and has spent a lot of time learning about them. Most of the
pilots who hang on the aviation newsgroups are a great bunch of people and
will gladly help those in the sim community who love aviation and come to
them for real world answers and dialog exchange.
I'm a good example of this myself, having been an advisor to the sim
community for some years now.
Just looking at the empty threads this character has caused tells the whole
story. He has literally run the gamut of the real world aviation talent on
these groups and has burned them all out one by one. He's arrived on the
scene, engaged them all, and generally exhausted his welcome. Its a shame if
it isas I suspect, a personality issue. If he is a troll, he's not a good
one :-)
Dudley

"Jay Beckman" wrote in message
news:05cSg.246$V6.53@fed1read06...

(I'll vouch for "Crash" ... he's good people (in a usenet kinda
way...gdr))


Thanks jay, mind you, I think the juy's still out on whether I'm "good
people" or not! :-)) hehehe

The difference here CL, is that mx:

1) Has preconcieved notions
2) Is unwilling to accept the answers he's given
3) Insists the answers he's given are wrong and already knows exactly why
(adjunct to point #1)



Fair enough. Haven't been here long enough to see all that side of it.

Crash Lander

"Terry" wrote in message
ink.net...
To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......

It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
real airplanes.
The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
found by
reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
he is lazy and
wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.

It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
the replies into an argument.

As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.

I'm done playing with him.

Steve Foley wrote:
"Terry" wrote in message
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To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......

It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
real airplanes.
The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
found by
reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
he is lazy and
wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.


It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
the replies into an argument.

As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.

I'm done playing with him.


He's better than skylune! I find myself saying "I'm not going to say a
word", but ... I still find my fingers on the keyboard. Damned, he's
good, he should learn to fly! The sad thing is I think he's really
interested in learning, he just can't figure out that A. sims are NOT
real airplanes. B. Real airplanes aren't that dangerous and won't fall
out of the sky if you run the engine at less than optimal settings.

Margy

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:13 -0400, Margy Natalie
wrote:

Steve Foley wrote:
"Terry" wrote in message
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To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......

It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
real airplanes.
The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
found by
reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
he is lazy and
wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.


It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
the replies into an argument.

As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.

I'm done playing with him.


He's better than skylune! I find myself saying "I'm not going to say a
word", but ... I still find my fingers on the keyboard. Damned, he's
good, he should learn to fly! The sad thing is I think he's really
interested in learning, he just can't figure out that A. sims are NOT
real airplanes. B. Real airplanes aren't that dangerous and won't fall
out of the sky if you run the engine at less than optimal settings.

Mine quit with less than optimal settings, of course it did have the
realistic expectation of at least getting some fuel. It quit on take
off and still didn't fall out of the sky. OTOH I did land a lot sooner
than I'd expected. I had the valve fixed and took off again. :-))



Margy
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

I guess the option of you, Terry, not reading the thread or the post
you object to is out of the question. Instead of kill filing it or
simply ignoring it or not reading it, you instead have the temerity to
ask everyone else to ignore his posts. It's sort of like the young
woman who wakes up every Saturday morning in a different guy's bed
complaining about the quality of men she dates. I know, I know, his
posts are just sooo awful you can't bear not to read them......

....I suppose my first question to such an arrogant posting
would be what do you consider a "real" pilot and what if
another pilot doesn't agree with your definition?
To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......

It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about
learning to fly real airplanes.
The questions asked by him are very basic questions that
could be found by
reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead
it appears he is lazy and
wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in
this newsgroup give him the answers to his mostly stupid
questions.
I respect alot of you as fellow pilots in this newsgroup
and value your viewpoint
even tho I have over 2,000 hours and built my 1st
airplane 20 years ago. It's aways
interesting to hear others opinions and I will be the
first to admit there is always
something to learn. I enjoy helping others that might have
questions about flying
or a particular airplane if I can. It's very clear that
Mxsmanic has not tried in anyway
to educate himself in anyway other than to ask in this
newsgroup.
So here's the delimma, a lot of you knowledgeable people
are feeding the troll!
I know without a doubt, there is a sincere desire to be
helpful but all that is
happening is for every stupid question answered, two more
are in the newgroup
the next day.... it's never ending. I don't want to "kill
file" anybody but Mxsmanic.
I do want to read the rest of your postings and I enjoy
them and learn from them.

Final comment, please stop responding the Mxsmanic
postings, comments about
him, Flight Sim's etc. Just let him fade away and get
this newsgroup back to
questions about flying REAL airplanes, REAL questions,
from REAL people.

Thank You from 63 year old fellow pilot...

Terry
N6401F

pltandtlp wrote:
...I suppose my first question to such an arrogant posting
would be what do you consider a "real" pilot and what if
another pilot doesn't agree with your definition?

Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

Emily wrote:

Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
groups.

I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

--Sylvain

Sylvain wrote:
I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

But would you be stupid enough to argue that the moon is made of green
cheese with one of the astronauts that had been there? This troll
definitely would...

Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

Nawh, we can just create two new groups underneath
rec.aviation.piloting...
rec.aviation.piloting.wantabes
rec.aviation.piloting.neverbes

This troll would be in the latter, of course...