Spin training

"Timmay" wrote in message
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A spin endorsement? After getting your PPL? Fill me in, I'm not aware
of any endorsements concerning spins.

An endorsement for spin training is required for CFI. Could it have been
concurrent training for Commercial and CFI?

Vaughn

Spins were a requirement back in the pre-1960 period [the
exact date can be looked up] and the training and testing
resulted in several fatal accidents. The FAA dropped the
requirement and for a time even dropped full stalls. They
do require spin training but not a high degree of skill for
CFI applicants. Many schools and FBOs do not want their
planes spun due to damage to instruments/gyros.

The FAA did a similar thing with Vmc demonstrations and
testing. The procedures were being read as do Vmc demos at
very low altitude and they even has a single-engine stall in
the testing procedures for a multiengine check-ride. That
was one of the reasons the Feds will not act as PIC during a
flight test, they got sued.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Vaughn Simon" wrote in
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| "Timmay" wrote in message
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| A spin endorsement? After getting your PPL? Fill me in,
I'm not aware
| of any endorsements concerning spins.
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| An endorsement for spin training is required for CFI.
Could it have been
| concurrent training for Commercial and CFI?
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| Vaughn
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In article ,
"Steven Barnes" wrote:

Woohoo!

I just got back from my spin training for my CFI. I went up with a local
acrobatic instructor in his Pitts. First time doing any severe unusual
attitude stuff and 1st time in a tail dragger. First off, hats off to all
those who fly taildraggers. That takes some foot work.
Spins weren't as bad as I thought. We did a couple normal stalls to see how
quickly the Pitts moves. Next, recovery from incipient spin. Then 1, then 2
turn spins. Learned quite a bit. Even got to do a couple rolls on the way
back to the field. Never lost my lunch! I did get a cramp in my right foot
from the rudder work, though. J
If you've never done any unusual attitude stuff, I would highly recommend
it.

You did spins in a Pitts and you instructor did not show you the
Mueller-Beggs Recovery method?

Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it does for Pitts'),
and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go of the stick for a
recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.

In article ,
"Viperdoc" wrote:

Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it does for Pitts'),
and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go of the stick for a
recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.

That's true, but shouldn't it at least be taught so that the student
fully understands spin recovery?

Probably, but it might fall into more advanced lessons, like inverted spins,
flat, crossover, etc. A single flight with a spin demo does not make most
pilots capable of recovery from inadvertent spins.

Viperdoc wrote:
Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it does for Pitts'),
and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go of the stick for a
recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.

What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?
Thx,
VL

Not sure, but here are some guesses.
F4, A4, F104, MU2, anything with heavy span loads and
anything with small elevator and rudder.



"vlado" wrote in message
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| Viperdoc wrote:
| Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it
does for Pitts'),
| and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go
of the stick for a
| recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.
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| What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?
| Thx,
| VL
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Just letting go works on an F86.

On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 21:42:21 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
wrote:

Not sure, but here are some guesses.
F4, A4, F104, MU2, anything with heavy span loads and
anything with small elevator and rudder.



"vlado" wrote in message
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| Viperdoc wrote:
| Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it
does for Pitts'),
| and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go
of the stick for a
| recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.
|
| What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?
| Thx,
| VL
|


GeorgeC

In article . com,
"vlado" wrote:

Viperdoc wrote:
Beggs-Mueller does not work for all planes (although it does for Pitts'),
and some pilots do not necessarily believe in letting go of the stick for a
recovery, preferring to "fly" out of the spin.

What airplanes does this (Beggs-Mueller) not work for?

Cessna 150.
Note that the Christen Eagle and Pitts were the only acro aircraft
tested extensively. Limited testing was done with the C-150.
Gene Beggs did not have the time nor the money to carry out extensive
testing on popular GA trainers and cruisers.
This research was conducted in the early 1980's.