flight school installing an autofuel tank

M wrote:

In case people didn't notice, the price gap between avgas and autogas
is no longer $1/gallon. It has grown to something more like
$1.30/gallon.

The gap is closer to $2 here in CT.

Comparing the highest octane auto fuel with 100LL here in southern AZ, the
difference is about 75 cents if you make judicious fuel stops.

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Mike

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M wrote:

In case people didn't notice, the price gap between avgas and autogas
is no longer $1/gallon. It has grown to something more like
$1.30/gallon.

The gap is closer to $2 here in CT.

M wrote:
The owner of a flight school at my airport (PAE) told me today that
he'll soon install a 1500 gallon fuel tank for 91 octane autofuel, to
supply fuel for his STC'ed cherokees and the Stingsport LSA on his
flightline (he's a dealer for Stingsport LSA). What a concept! He can
save a whole bunch on fuel, offering a better wet rental rate, and I'll
have another on-airport autofuel supplier in this area (the other is at
the self serve pump at AWO).

In case people didn't notice, the price gap between avgas and autogas
is no longer $1/gallon. It has grown to something more like
$1.30/gallon.

Our local flight school owner just bought an old fuel truck out of
trade-a-plane and buys 100LL bulk from the oil company. Their truck
comes out to the airport and fills his truck. (He gets around the state
transport laws because his truck never touches public roads). His price
on the direct bought 100LL is pretty awesome. Now I see him out there
in the mornings putting gas in all his planes. Of course the fuel
dealer on the field had been charging $5.25 for self serve at the time
too, so there was quiet an incentive.

-Robert

M wrote:
The owner of a flight school at my airport (PAE) told me today that
he'll soon install a 1500 gallon fuel tank for 91 octane autofuel, to
supply fuel for his STC'ed cherokees and the Stingsport LSA on his
flightline (he's a dealer for Stingsport LSA). What a concept! He can
save a whole bunch on fuel, offering a better wet rental rate, and I'll
have another on-airport autofuel supplier in this area (the other is at
the self serve pump at AWO).

In case people didn't notice, the price gap between avgas and autogas
is no longer $1/gallon. It has grown to something more like
$1.30/gallon.

Of course, that is going to depend upon how much the owner of the flight
school is going to sell autogas for... I seem to remember reading in our
city's docs for our airport that it was defined that they would sell
fuel for $1 per gallon over their actual cost...

Fortunately, the autogas pump at AWO is usually only about 20c/gallon
higher than the price on the street. I hope that'll make the flight
school price their autofuel accordingly.

Grumman-581 wrote:


Of course, that is going to depend upon how much the owner of the flight
school is going to sell autogas for... I seem to remember reading in our
city's docs for our airport that it was defined that they would sell
fuel for $1 per gallon over their actual cost...

"M" wrote in message
ups.com...
Fortunately, the autogas pump at AWO is usually only about 20c/gallon
higher than the price on the street. I hope that'll make the flight
school price their autofuel accordingly.

Currently, I have a 55g drum and I fill it up periodically... I *used* to be
able to fill it up near the airport, but thanks to the alcohol in the fuel
these days, I would have to drive around 30 miles (each way) to get it
filled up with *real* gas... That's not really worth it for just 55
gallons... I'm going to pick up a couple more 55g drums so that it would be
worthwhile... At around $10 per drum, they pay for themselves after the
first fillup as compared to avgas... I recently found a car wash that was
throwing away a 30g drum... I need to clean it up on the inside a bit with a
pressure washer, but all in all, I suspect that this size might even be more
convenient -- at least from a handling standpoint... You gotta be a bit
careful with the 55g drums when unloading them from your truck... They weigh
about 350 lbs full and you don't want to drop 'em and cause a leak... I
figure that I can probably put at least 6 of them in the back of my pickup,
but I'm not so sure I want that much weight back there... That's 2100 lbs
and that might be a bit much for what is supposedly classified as a 1/2 ton
pickup (Dodge QuadCab 1500 4x4)... Filling it with 30g drums would probably
be alright from a weight standpoint though...

The ONLY "downside" to this... which is subjective.. is that if the wet
rate is lower because of this, also expect the "reimbursement" rate to
reflect HIS cost per gallon of autofuel, and not YOUR cost per gallon of
fuel bought away from the field on cross country.

Its a matter of being informed ahead of time that you may spend $3-4/gal
buying fuel remotely and only get $2-2.50 reimbursed based on this.

Dave

M wrote:
The owner of a flight school at my airport (PAE) told me today that
he'll soon install a 1500 gallon fuel tank for 91 octane autofuel, to
supply fuel for his STC'ed cherokees and the Stingsport LSA on his
flightline (he's a dealer for Stingsport LSA). What a concept! He can
save a whole bunch on fuel, offering a better wet rental rate, and I'll
have another on-airport autofuel supplier in this area (the other is at
the self serve pump at AWO).

In case people didn't notice, the price gap between avgas and autogas
is no longer $1/gallon. It has grown to something more like
$1.30/gallon.

Dave S wrote:
The ONLY "downside" to this... which is subjective.. is that if the wet
rate is lower because of this, also expect the "reimbursement" rate to
reflect HIS cost per gallon of autofuel, and not YOUR cost per gallon of
fuel bought away from the field on cross country.

Its a matter of being informed ahead of time that you may spend $3-4/gal
buying fuel remotely and only get $2-2.50 reimbursed based on this.

Is that a common practice? where I fly remote fuel reimbursement is
what you actually paid. You attach the fuel receipt to your statement
and simply deduct it from your bottom line price.

I just assumed that's how everyone does it. Of course our on-field FBO
is not the cheapest by any means either, so the club usually comes out
ahead on remote fueling.

In rec.aviation.owning xyzzy wrote:

Dave S wrote:
The ONLY "downside" to this... which is subjective.. is that if the wet
rate is lower because of this, also expect the "reimbursement" rate to
reflect HIS cost per gallon of autofuel, and not YOUR cost per gallon of
fuel bought away from the field on cross country.

Its a matter of being informed ahead of time that you may spend $3-4/gal
buying fuel remotely and only get $2-2.50 reimbursed based on this.

Is that a common practice? where I fly remote fuel reimbursement is
what you actually paid. You attach the fuel receipt to your statement
and simply deduct it from your bottom line price.

I just assumed that's how everyone does it. Of course our on-field FBO
is not the cheapest by any means either, so the club usually comes out
ahead on remote fueling.

The local renter reimburses actual up to a maximum which is roughly
the average local price and usually around a half buck more than the
field price for full serve.

I once asked why and they replied they were more concerned about
someone running out of gas a mile short of the runway and what that
would do to the bottom line than they were about the couple of bucks
now and then for a pricey fillup.

--
Jim Pennino

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: The local renter reimburses actual up to a maximum which is roughly
: the average local price and usually around a half buck more than the
: field price for full serve.

: I once asked why and they replied they were more concerned about
: someone running out of gas a mile short of the runway and what that
: would do to the bottom line than they were about the couple of bucks
: now and then for a pricey fillup.

That is a much more sensible strategy IMO. As a club, it'd be much better to
tell the members, "We'll reimburse you the full cost, but if possible please plan to
require a minimum of fuel elsewhere."

Same as if you get stuck for weather. The local club here doesn't penalize a
renter if the plane gets stuck due to bad weather. It's a good idea to encourage
conservatism rather than having major financial incentive to "push" the weather to get
the plane home.

-Cory

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