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If I understand correctly, in a real aircraft, it all just
depends on circumstances, and you don't have to know or care about any "exact" neutral (?). Essentially, yes. real aircraft controls have the points that they go when you apply zero force to them. In general, you trim such that these points of zero force correspond to the aircraft flying straight and and level at the altitude, speed and power setting of your choosing. Understand that most trim settings (especially pitch-wise) only correspond to one particular speed (and to a lesser excent altitude) configuration. That is, lets say I trim for 110 knots at 4000 feet, 75% power, and fly hands off for a bit. now - if I pull back on the yoke, i'll trade some of my airspeed for climb ("zoom climb")... the further I get off my "target" speed, the greater the yoke is going to push against my hands... now - the "weird" thing (not really when you think about the physics, but certainly not intuitive to sim-drivers) is that if I then decide to release the yoke, the aircraft will _completely automatically_ return to its trimmed airspeed, and pretty close to its original altitude. It actually won't go straight to the trimmed altitude and airspeed, it'll do a number of oscilations faster and slower than the trimmed speed until it ends up back to where it was trimmed for. That is why flying with the trim is generally a bad idea - fly with the yoke, trim off the preassure = flying precisely. (also, just so there is no confusion, this has NOTHING to do with an autopilot, my aircraft doesn't have one - its simply the way the shape of the airplane is designed to interact with the airflow). Do you have a marked "zero point" for the trim, There is a "takeoff point" for the trim system, generally set to provide good yoke feel for Vy climbout. Once you are climbing however, trim is completely relative. There's generally no "Move the trim lever this much to change trim X mph"... That is a fundamentally backwards way of thinking. Once you are airborne, simply use the yoke to SET the aircraft off of its currently trimmed configuration, and then use the trim controls to adjust the trim configuration to the current configuration- that is really most of flying. or do you just trim until it feels right for the circumstances, and then trim again the next time as required, without worrying about whether the trim is truly "zero" or not? Bingo - that's it exactly. So in a real aircraft, a different trim position also represents a different yoke position? That seems logical. I wonder how fly-by-wire aircraft handle this. There was some discussion on A.net about this - Boeing goes to great lengths in their FBW systems to keep the 'feel' of traditional hydrolics, trim and everything. Airbus, on the other hand, just has the aircraft automatically and always trim for 1-G flight. I.E, the airbus actually flies more like your flight simulator than my Piper ![]() I read that a drawback to Cirrus aircraft is that they use springs for feedback, so it's hard to tell where the control surfaces actually are. I haven't read that either way - but I think you over-estimate the necessity of knowing where your control's "really" are. Everything in flying is relative, from the moment you take off, you're changing from one configuration to another - not simply "setting" configurations- your control inputs are thus always relative. |
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