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Recent Political Change May Positively Affect GA



 
 
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Old November 11th 06, 10:54 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Martin Hotze
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Default Recent Political Change May Positively Affect GA

On 10 Nov 2006 14:29:25 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

except that these voters' votes can be recounted if need be, since
they did leave a verifiable paper trace unlike *your* vote...


The touch screen computer printed a hard copy of my vote, which was
verified by the operator.


so the operator checked after every single vote?

so he knew what you voted. nice.

but did he show you the print and ask you to verify that you voted for X or
Y? how will you know? are do you simply _trust_ the machine?

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Old November 10th 06, 11:15 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Don Tuite
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Default Recent Political Change May Positively Affect GA

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:04:38 -0800, Sylvain wrote:

Jay Honeck wrote:

Amazingly (to me) I was the ONLY person in line to choose to vote
electronically, while everyone else in this VERY left-wing area (the
last Republican elected here was in 1957) chose paper -- no doubt
because of all the liberal media gibberish about how the Republicans
were going to "steal" the election by using Diebold's computers...


it is not gibberish that these machine are unreliable, and so easily
hacked that a chimpanzee can do it (as it has been demonstrated); I would
certainly never accept using these pieces of crap to vote -- note: I know
a thing or two about computer science -- and would use paper if given
a chance if only as a form of protest; the sooner these machines are
taken offline and discarded, the better, and one way to achieve this
is to refuse using them.


What was really hilarious (to me) was that the people who voted on
paper were then directed (as always) to feed their ballot into a (you
guessed it!) computer tabulator! I just about died laughing.


except that these voters' votes can be recounted if need be, since
they did leave a verifiable paper trace unlike *your* vote...

There was a machine at my precinct, along with six tables for marking
paper ballots. There was also a guy there to help people use the
machine.

The guy in line ahead of me requested the machine, so I took a paper
ballot. While I was coloring inside the lines, I could hear the
dialog at the machine. When I left, the two guys were still trying to
back out of a Cinese ballot and get one in English. (The guy in front
of me was NOT identifiably Chinese.)

Apparently, once the Chinese ballot was selected, accidentally or not,
you couldn't get of it. It had to be voted. Otherwise, it was an
invitation to voter fraud.

Beta testing? You could have caught THAT with a walk-through!

Don

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Old November 11th 06, 12:32 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jim Macklin
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Default Recent Political Change May Positively Affect GA

On the iVotronic machine, a judge or clerk can insert the
PEB [looks like a game cartridge] and the machine will offer
the chance to cancel the current ballot. It requires
several steps, and has a list of reasons, such as voter
request, machine errors and such. The actions are recorded
on paper and the vote tally is reset down one. Then you
re-insert the PEB and get the voter the correct ballot.


"Don Tuite" wrote in
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| On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 14:04:38 -0800, Sylvain
wrote:
|
| Jay Honeck wrote:
|
| Amazingly (to me) I was the ONLY person in line to
choose to vote
| electronically, while everyone else in this VERY
left-wing area (the
| last Republican elected here was in 1957) chose
paper -- no doubt
| because of all the liberal media gibberish about how
the Republicans
| were going to "steal" the election by using Diebold's
computers...
|
| it is not gibberish that these machine are unreliable,
and so easily
| hacked that a chimpanzee can do it (as it has been
demonstrated); I would
| certainly never accept using these pieces of crap to
vote -- note: I know
| a thing or two about computer science -- and would use
paper if given
| a chance if only as a form of protest; the sooner these
machines are
| taken offline and discarded, the better, and one way to
achieve this
| is to refuse using them.
|
|
| What was really hilarious (to me) was that the people
who voted on
| paper were then directed (as always) to feed their
ballot into a (you
| guessed it!) computer tabulator! I just about died
laughing.
|
| except that these voters' votes can be recounted if need
be, since
| they did leave a verifiable paper trace unlike *your*
vote...
|
| There was a machine at my precinct, along with six tables
for marking
| paper ballots. There was also a guy there to help people
use the
| machine.
|
| The guy in line ahead of me requested the machine, so I
took a paper
| ballot. While I was coloring inside the lines, I could
hear the
| dialog at the machine. When I left, the two guys were
still trying to
| back out of a Cinese ballot and get one in English. (The
guy in front
| of me was NOT identifiably Chinese.)
|
| Apparently, once the Chinese ballot was selected,
accidentally or not,
| you couldn't get of it. It had to be voted. Otherwise, it
was an
| invitation to voter fraud.
|
| Beta testing? You could have caught THAT with a
walk-through!
|
| Don
|


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Old November 11th 06, 02:27 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Jose[_1_]
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Default Recent Political Change May Positively Affect GA

Amazingly (to me) I was the ONLY person in line to choose to vote
electronically...


Is there a paper trail? How is a recount of electronic votes done with
those electronic voting machines?

What was really hilarious (to me) was that the people who voted on
paper were then directed (as always) to feed their ballot into a (you
guessed it!) computer tabulator!


.... but the paper still exists, and can be counted by trained monkeys if
there is a question.

Jose
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Old November 11th 06, 10:51 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
Martin Hotze
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Default Recent Political Change May Positively Affect GA

On 10 Nov 2006 13:05:40 -0800, Jay Honeck wrote:

It is to weep.


true. but for different reasons.

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