Soreness after flights, and rudders

Robert M. Gary wrote:
VH-UNR wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
For a new pilot, while your on the ground yes, your claves can become
sore, because your whole foot is on the rudder peddle,

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi. Most people seem to want to use brake to
control taxi speed rather than power, which is not a good habit.

-Robert, CFII

we teach you to have your whole foot on the rudder whilst on the
ground. its a safetly thing here. there is a tendency for animals,
people, natives to run onto taxiways, plus we need to negotiate some
sharp turns that the nose wheel of the C172 cant get round without
assistance from the differential brakes. But its a personal thing for
us. Some guys will teach the same as you. i just tell the students that
if they ride the brakes, and a fire starts, then they can pay the
damage.

On one of my landings during dual, the Cessna 150 I was in was shaking like
crazy during a TnG. I couldn't figure it out and neither could my
instructor. It felt like a really rough paved strip, but we both knew it
wasn't quite THAT rough. I finally figured out (probably days later) that I
must have had my toes on the brakes by accident. My feet were just too high
up on the pedals. No damage, but I'm kind of surprised that my instructor
hadn't thought of that. Seems like it could be a pretty common problem.

mike

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VH-UNR wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
For a new pilot, while your on the ground yes, your claves can become
sore, because your whole foot is on the rudder peddle,

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi. Most people seem to want to use brake to
control taxi speed rather than power, which is not a good habit.

-Robert, CFII

Hence Why we say, heels on the floor. I get the students to say it out
loud as they line up.

mike regish wrote:
On one of my landings during dual, the Cessna 150 I was in was shaking like
crazy during a TnG. I couldn't figure it out and neither could my
instructor. It felt like a really rough paved strip, but we both knew it
wasn't quite THAT rough. I finally figured out (probably days later) that I
must have had my toes on the brakes by accident. My feet were just too high
up on the pedals. No damage, but I'm kind of surprised that my instructor
hadn't thought of that. Seems like it could be a pretty common problem.

mike

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VH-UNR wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:
For a new pilot, while your on the ground yes, your claves can become
sore, because your whole foot is on the rudder peddle,

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi. Most people seem to want to use brake to
control taxi speed rather than power, which is not a good habit.

-Robert, CFII

Good idea. I was surprised she didn't pick up on it. I must've been her
first.

Unless you have heel brakes. I don't know if any certified planes have them,
but my ultralight did. And the rudder pedals worked in reverse.

mike

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Hence Why we say, heels on the floor. I get the students to say it out
loud as they line up.

Robert M. Gary writes:

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi.

Is it possible to apply the brakes with your heels on the floor?

Most people seem to want to use brake to control taxi speed rather
than power, which is not a good habit.

At least in simulation, it's very hard to find a power setting that
will keep the aircraft rolling at a convenient speed without it
gradually slowing down or speeding up too much. Of course, you can
adjust the throttle, but it seems like you're constantly playing with
it. Sometimes I get it just right, but finding that spot the next
time around is difficult.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi.

Is it possible to apply the brakes with your heels on the floor?

Most people seem to want to use brake to control taxi speed rather
than power, which is not a good habit.

At least in simulation, it's very hard to find a power setting that
will keep the aircraft rolling at a convenient speed without it
gradually slowing down or speeding up too much. Of course, you can
adjust the throttle, but it seems like you're constantly playing with
it. Sometimes I get it just right, but finding that spot the next
time around is difficult.

Just like in real life man

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VH-UNR writes:

Just like in real life man

Good.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi.

Is it possible to apply the brakes with your heels on the floor?

No its not, think of it like this. The peddle rotates around a point on
the back, this is about 1/3rd the way up from the bottem of the peddle,
so by going heels on floor it is impossible to rotate the peddle enough
to apply the brake. when you on the ground, you push through your heel
to steer the nose and push you ball of the foot forwards to use brakes.

At least in simulation, it's very hard to find a power setting that
will keep the aircraft rolling at a convenient speed without it
gradually slowing down or speeding up too much. Of course, you can
adjust the throttle, but it seems like you're constantly playing with
it. Sometimes I get it just right, but finding that spot the next
time around is difficult.

practise, practise, practise. remember that the surface is not always
perfectly flat so you will constantly have to adjust your throttle to
maintain a speed. thats why whenever your on the ground and moving, you
hand is on the throttle unless you tuning instruments.
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VH-UNR writes:

No its not, think of it like this. The peddle rotates around a point on
the back, this is about 1/3rd the way up from the bottem of the peddle,
so by going heels on floor it is impossible to rotate the peddle enough
to apply the brake. when you on the ground, you push through your heel
to steer the nose and push you ball of the foot forwards to use brakes.

OK. I was under the impression that the entire pedal pivoted around a
point at the bottom. It's hard to tell from photos.

Are rudder pedals about the same height as pedals in a car, or are
they higher up? They look higher up in photos, such that you actually
have to lift your foot in order to put it squarely on the pedal (which
is rarely necessary in a car).

practise, practise, practise. remember that the surface is not always
perfectly flat so you will constantly have to adjust your throttle to
maintain a speed. thats why whenever your on the ground and moving, you
hand is on the throttle unless you tuning instruments.

Yes, that's the way I end up. Speed up, slow down, speed up, slow
down. And if I'm going anything beyond very slowly, turns seem to
become exaggerated. Applying brakes on only one side seems to have a
tendency to turn the aircraft wildly unless one is barely moving. I'm
having trouble applying equal pressure to both brakes.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
Robert M. Gary writes:

You probaby don't want to have your foot on the brake on the ground
unless you actually mean to use the brake. I teach my students to taxi
with their feet flat on the floor because they would otherwise always
drag the brakes during taxi.

Is it possible to apply the brakes with your heels on the floor?

No, but it takes no effort to slide your feet up. Students will try to
ride the brakes otherwise. That's one of the things we CFIs are always
looking for during taxi.

Most people seem to want to use brake to control taxi speed rather
than power, which is not a good habit.

At least in simulation, it's very hard to find a power setting that
will keep the aircraft rolling at a convenient speed without it
gradually slowing down or speeding up too much.

So is riding a bike.

-Robert