Icing conditions

"Jay Beckman" wrote

I'm still here and at r.a.p. but I'm just so blown away by where this
tragicomedy is at that I find my fingers are speechless most of the time.

Great, to have you helping out. I'm taking a small, sort-of break. I'll jump
in again, if needed, I guess - but now, the situation is "trying" to be handled.

Thanks, to those of you being active in dealing with the problem.

To those of you that do not think there is a problem, re-read all of MX's posts.
It is easy to do, on most readers. Group his screen name together, then go at
it. Pay particular attention to how he replies to people giving advise. Think
respect, or lack there of.
--
Jim in NC

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
:

- Consider GA to be comprised of nothing but "Tin Cans" and/or "Bug
Smashers"

You were right on with all but this one...

We all talk about ourselves as flying Tin Cans and Bug Smashers... It's
hypocritical to condemn someone else (even MX) for using the same language.

(OK - here comes the big controversy...)
It's the same type of hypocrisy that I believe exists among people who
complain about being called derogatory names, and then refer to each other
"jokingly" using the same bad words.

"Judah" wrote in message
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"Jay Beckman" wrote in
:

- Consider GA to be comprised of nothing but "Tin Cans" and/or "Bug
Smashers"

You were right on with all but this one...

We all talk about ourselves as flying Tin Cans and Bug Smashers... It's
hypocritical to condemn someone else (even MX) for using the same
language.

(OK - here comes the big controversy...)
It's the same type of hypocrisy that I believe exists among people who
complain about being called derogatory names, and then refer to each other
"jokingly" using the same bad words.

The difference?

Our Albatross flies a desk...I actually FLY.

So thankyouverymuch but I'll refer to light GA aircraft in whatever terms I
choose and I don't give a tinkers damn if I come off sounding high and
mighty.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

"Jay Beckman" wrote in
:

(OK - here comes the big controversy...)
It's the same type of hypocrisy that I believe exists among people who
complain about being called derogatory names, and then refer to each
other "jokingly" using the same bad words.

The difference?

Our Albatross flies a desk...I actually FLY.

Irrelevant to my point. If I walk around calling myself a "dirty cheap
kike", would you call me a hypocrite if I then got offended when you call
me a "dirty cheap kike"?



So thankyouverymuch but I'll refer to light GA aircraft in whatever
terms I choose and I don't give a tinkers damn if I come off sounding
high and mighty.

Yourwelcomeverymuch. You go ahead and refer to light GA aircraft in
whatever terms you want. But then don't be surprised when an outsider uses
the same language. But if that language offends you, then you shouldn't
have used it yourself.

It has nothing to do with high and mighty.

Anyway, it's a big beef of mine (especially the "N word"), and I've said my
peace. So I'll shut up about it now to prevent another MX thread from
evolving into prosperity.

I have to agree Andrew..

I am convinced thatr somewhere behind "Mxmaniac" must be a tolerant
gentleman...

I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He
was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid"
category within some opinions here...

So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat...
(1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments,
controls and functions...

I saw him at the airport 3 months later..

He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at
about 6 hrs).....

So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot
someday...if they show an interest in aviation...

OK, maybe I just have a thick skin, or I just don't take myself very
seriously...

If anybody offends me, I just ignore them....they fade away after a
while... Mx has not offended me...

And I am NOT going to impress my opinion on others. I am not going to
encourage others to respond to him, and I must confess I am beginning
to tire of others (more than) suggesting that I (we) NOT respond to
him.

If anyone in this group offends me, I will determine it was not a
misunderstanding, make them aware, and move on. I feel no need to
blacklist anyone.

It was 30 some years ago when I was pumping "stupid" questions to a
pilot.. I am glad he was patient and encouraged me to keep
dreaming. But it was still some time before I could afford to train
to become a "real" pilot.

Cheers!

Dave




, I just move on On 29 Nov 2006 13:39:38 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:

I am not sure why you guys are beating up the guy. He may not be a real
pilot, but I have not found his questions to be offensive, off-topic or
even ignorant. To the contrary, he has posed several questions in the
past that many of us were unable to answer, or revealed lack of
knowledge on our part. In those cases, it is the real pilots who I have
seen to misbehave. I can't recall Mxsmanic to have lost his cool
despite all the things that poeple call him.


A Lieberma wrote:
"Jim Macklin" wrote in
:

Too many systems to explain here, read the POH or a good
training manual.

Talk about wasted advise.....

Mx doesn't even read the replies, much less anything he's been shown to
read like references or POHs.

Allen

Dave wrote in
:

I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He
was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid"
category within some opinions here...

So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat...
(1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments,
controls and functions...

I saw him at the airport 3 months later..

He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at
about 6 hrs).....

So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot
someday...if they show an interest in aviation...

Dave,

What you describe is great above. I have been there and done it myself,
and posted my experiences on a post "Why I fly" to the
rec.aviation.piloting and rec.aviation.student newsgroups.

Here is the difference between what you describe above and Mx.

Your flight simmer went to the airport with you. Your simmer got in the
plane with you. Your simmer signed up for lessons. YOUR SIMMER
APPRECIATED the time vested. The unasked question is the dumb question.

I will take a fence sitter up any chance I get so I can take away the
mystery of the magic of flight and welcome all dumb questions.

Now, let's talk a little about Mx.....

He badgers every reply.
He can't afford flying.
He says it's too dangerous.
The equipment in our planes are unreliable.
He needs to see the pilot fly before he would get in a plane with him
(How this will happen is beyond my comprehension).

His sim doesn't jive up with real world experiences, I.E human physiology
interacting with flight. He has no intention of getting in a plane. He
has no intention of learning the real world experiences, only badger the
repliers to his good questions with sim experiences that doesn't equate.
I.E leans in IMC vs getting so called dizzy sitting in front of a
computer monitor.

Again, questions raised by Mx is not the problem. Simmers posting
questions is not the problem. Arm chair pilots posting question is not
the problem

THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF RESPECT SHOWN BY MX for real world experiences
THAT CANNOT BE SIMULATED IN A SIM. I do make the assumption you fly a
real plane and can understand what I am trying to convey.

Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

TROLLS NEED TO BE IGNORED....

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:
Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

At the very least, you need to notice that you keep turning people off,
with the idea that you can tell them to whom they can respond and how.
And blacklisting people who disagree with your tactics? Talk about
disrespect.

You and Jim and a couple of others are way too obsessed with this.
Your posts are now 90% Mx phobia messages.

Turn off the computer for a couple of days, and get out to the real
world. I know that when you retire, the 'net is a tempting place to
get lost in, but seriously there are better places to go...

Kev

Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

- What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the
time?
- Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know about
VFR fixes?)
- Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full
flight plan?
- When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence?
- Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for
wildlife refuges and national parks?
- How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are
in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?)

Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions
with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students
ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the
pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions.



A Lieberma wrote:
Dave wrote in
:

I "tolerated" a lot of questions from a guy about 6 months ago. He
was flying a sim... And the questions would fall into the "stupid"
category within some opinions here...

So I showed him around our Warrior, let him sit in the left seat...
(1st time in a light plane). He recognised all the instruments,
controls and functions...

I saw him at the airport 3 months later..

He had signed up for pilot training and was working on landings ( at
about 6 hrs).....

So I will take a chance on another who may become a "real" pilot
someday...if they show an interest in aviation...

Dave,

What you describe is great above. I have been there and done it myself,
and posted my experiences on a post "Why I fly" to the
rec.aviation.piloting and rec.aviation.student newsgroups.

Here is the difference between what you describe above and Mx.

Your flight simmer went to the airport with you. Your simmer got in the
plane with you. Your simmer signed up for lessons. YOUR SIMMER
APPRECIATED the time vested. The unasked question is the dumb question.

I will take a fence sitter up any chance I get so I can take away the
mystery of the magic of flight and welcome all dumb questions.

Now, let's talk a little about Mx.....

He badgers every reply.
He can't afford flying.
He says it's too dangerous.
The equipment in our planes are unreliable.
He needs to see the pilot fly before he would get in a plane with him
(How this will happen is beyond my comprehension).

His sim doesn't jive up with real world experiences, I.E human physiology
interacting with flight. He has no intention of getting in a plane. He
has no intention of learning the real world experiences, only badger the
repliers to his good questions with sim experiences that doesn't equate.
I.E leans in IMC vs getting so called dizzy sitting in front of a
computer monitor.

Again, questions raised by Mx is not the problem. Simmers posting
questions is not the problem. Arm chair pilots posting question is not
the problem

THE PROBLEM IS THE LACK OF RESPECT SHOWN BY MX for real world experiences
THAT CANNOT BE SIMULATED IN A SIM. I do make the assumption you fly a
real plane and can understand what I am trying to convey.

Why folks are putting up with this disrespect is beyond my
comprehension....

TROLLS NEED TO BE IGNORED....

Allen

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in
ups.com:

Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

Do the flip side Andrew. Post some of his replies......

I bet you won't have the same raving reviews....

I don't think anybody is having a problems with the quality of the
questions. How many times does this have to be re-iterated????

IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten.

Allen

A Lieberma wrote in
. 18:

IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten.

The word gotten should be "given"

Allen