Icing conditions

A Lieberma wrote:
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IT IS his lack of respect for the replies he has gotten.


It is also his disdain for actual flying, and his considering the
activity dangerous and unwise. One doesn't insult the class of
people who fly, and expect them to kiss his butt with technical
help he doesn't really need. He also doesn't mind being publicly
insulted on the net here and in many other groups, and probably
loves it.

F--

Recently, Andrew Sarangan posted:

Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

- What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the
time?
- Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know
about VFR fixes?)
- Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full
flight plan?
- When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence?
- Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for
wildlife refuges and national parks?
- How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are
in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?)

Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions
with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students
ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the
pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions.

As many have said, their problem with Anthony is not about the quality of
his questions. He asks good questions at the outset that are quite
appropriate for this newsgroup. Some group participants are upset with his
rudeness and argumentative nature in consideration of his actual knowledge
and experience. Others are concerned when he posts misinformation
disguised as statements of fact (I'm in this group).

Having met pilots that are at least as rude as Anthony, I find it
difficult to be upset by that aspect of his presentation. We all have
limited knowledge, and at times post incorrect comments that can be read
as statements of fact, so I can't see a reason to single him out on this,
either. So, just as we are willing to do to others, we should do to him.

Neil

Neil Gould wrote:
So, just as we are willing to do to others, we should do to him.

When someone gets unreasonable or argumentative, it's simple enough to
start ignoring the individual at that point.

On the other hand, people learn differently and Usenet mixes many
flavors and cultures, so personality conflicts are bound to happen.

I'll answer on-topic posts that interest me and ignore those that don't.

"Andrew Sarangan" wrote in message
ups.com...
Here are some questions MX has asked in the recent past:

- What is the reason for not having icing protection turned on all the
time?
- Can VFR fixes be used on IFR flight plans? (How many of us know about
VFR fixes?)
- Can you switch VFR to IFR inflight, or do you have to file a full
flight plan?
- When class D overlaps with class C, which one takes precedence?
- Why doesn't the sectional chart legend show the symbol used for
wildlife refuges and national parks?
- How do you tell which side of the chain-link class E border you are
in? (how many pilots have even seen these symbols?)

Now, be honest and ask yourself if these are really trivial questions
with trivial answers. I am a CFII and I get excited when my students
ask such probing questions. I am willing to bet that majority of the
pilot population will not be able to answer the above questions.



As I have mentioned to several people who are taking up for Anthony it isn't
the questions we have the problem with it his responses to the answers he
received. I also suggested one or two people Google mxsmaniac and see that
Anthony has the same history of behavior in a number of different groups.

Dave,

With all due respect, you are SOOOO missing the entire point.

Rant /On

It isn't the questions. God knows we've all asked hundreds (if not
thousands) of questions of CFIs, Air Show Pilots, Airline Pilots, friends
who fly, etc...
Before I earned my PP-ASEL, any chance I would get to ask questions of real
pilots, I'd barage them. I still do.

I was (and still am to a large extent) an UberFencenHanginAirportenGeek.
For years I'd sit in my car near airports, shoot photos and listen to a
scanner...I still do this from time to time. I have over 10,000 35mm
slides. I have a library with over 3,000 books and magazines related to
flying of all kinds from hang gliding to flying fighter jets. It's one of
my prized posessions. I still build models. I still collect patches, pins,
manuals and antique panel instruments.

The worst part of my job? The fact that I work weekends and can't attend
airshows any more (my personal best was the summer of 1987. I was living in
Philly then and I made it to small airshows and AFB Open Houses from Boston
down to Pax River. IIRC, 12 or 13 shows that summer.)

But, the one thing that would have set me apart from our Albatross back then
and it would do so today (despite having immersed myself in aviation for
seemingly forever):

- I knew that I didn't know jack **** (and as it relates to flying, I still
know that one is constantly learning.)
- I knew how to say THANK YOU!!!

If an honest to gosh, flesh and blood pilot would take the time to answer my
stupid ground-pounder questions, I'd say thank you for your time. I'd ask,
they'd answer, I'd move on.

I wouldn't doubt them to their face - Mx Does
I wouldn't tell them they're wrong - Mx Does
I wouldn't attempt to sound superior - Mx Does
I sure as hell wouldn't try to bull**** them - Mx Does

So I'll say it again. It isn't the questions, it's the intent behind the
questions because if he already knows all the anwers then why is he asking?

Rant \Off

So you make the call Dave. You want to feed his addiction? You want to
help him get his jollies? Be my guest. I'm sticking firmly with those who
think he needs a nice long rest in a rubber room.

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

Jay Beckman wrote:
[snip]

So you make the call Dave. You want to feed his addiction? You want to
help him get his jollies? Be my guest. I'm sticking firmly with those who
think he needs a nice long rest in a rubber room.

I agree with all your points Jay. I just sit back and shake my head at
the Mx posts and replies but it certainly is getting harder and harder.


You see, I think MX is just playing on many pilot's urge to talk about
flying. He gets a kick out of asking questions that he "knows" the
answer to but are "gray" enough to cause controversy to get the most
replies. The more replying posts, the better. The guy gets up in the
morning and asks himself "what can I ask this sorry-ass group today to
get the most responses??" then heads to his computer.

We've all met people who like to chew your ear off with conversation.
You know, the guys that you say "bye" to 5 times before you can
actually leave because you don't want to be rude and cut them off. MX
is just playing on these same folks to generate posts for his own
somewhat dimented ego.

He only gives a **** about what we post as an answer so long as it will
creates more replies. Flames and complaints included. C'mon, do you
really think he honeslty thought Barons have ejection seats??

Unfortuantely, the sad fact is that there will always be flying
conversation-starved pilots who are willing to feed his hunger.

Marco

"Marco Leon" wrote in
ups.com:

I agree with all your points Jay. I just sit back and shake my head at
the Mx posts and replies but it certainly is getting harder and
harder.

Thus the importance of all of us banding together and NOT replying to his
posts.

Past couple of days, I have seen a reduction in Mx traffic, so this is a
good sign :-)

I know it's hard, 'specially when he directly replies to my own response to
somebody else, but I am determined not to contribute to his trolling ways.

Silent treatment against trolls is the best way to get rid of them. We as
a group can do this and get our group back.

Anybody new that I see popping in that replies to his post, I will let them
know they are dealing with a troll. Hopefully others will give them fair
warning too.

As far as lurkers go, well they certainly have a keyboard to post their own
questions..... They surely don't need Mx to ask their questions.

Questions that have been posted by Mx are not the problems.....

Allen

A Lieberma wrote:

"Marco Leon" wrote in
ups.com:


I agree with all your points Jay. I just sit back and shake my head at
the Mx posts and replies but it certainly is getting harder and
harder.


Thus the importance of all of us banding together and NOT replying to his
posts.

Past couple of days, I have seen a reduction in Mx traffic, so this is a
good sign :-)

I know it's hard, 'specially when he directly replies to my own response to
somebody else, but I am determined not to contribute to his trolling ways.

Silent treatment against trolls is the best way to get rid of them. We as
a group can do this and get our group back.

Anybody new that I see popping in that replies to his post, I will let them
know they are dealing with a troll. Hopefully others will give them fair
warning too.

As far as lurkers go, well they certainly have a keyboard to post their own
questions..... They surely don't need Mx to ask their questions.

Questions that have been posted by Mx are not the problems.....

Allen


Maybe Mx is a college graduate working on a Ph.D. in psychology and
studying behavior on the internet. And, he just happened to like flying
(sim or otherwise) and is using this as his research. Just a thought.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Dave wrote:


It was 30 some years ago when I was pumping "stupid" questions to a
pilot..

Personally, I think some of the questions keep me sharp. Some of the
"stupid" questions make me reach for the AIM or a chart to look up the
info before I post.

My 4 year old keeps asking "why" about everything too. Eventually one
of his "whys" will make me think but that doesn't mean he'll understand
or care about the answer.


B A R R Y wrote:
Dave wrote:


It was 30 some years ago when I was pumping "stupid" questions to a
pilot..

Personally, I think some of the questions keep me sharp. Some of the
"stupid" questions make me reach for the AIM or a chart to look up the
info before I post.