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Old December 1st 06, 03:57 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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"Bob Noel" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Peter Duniho" wrote:

As you correctly point out, the bulk of being a pilot has to do with
judgment and factual knowledge, rather than motor skills (especially with
current aircraft design...this wasn't always true, IMHO). And frankly,
not
everyone is capable of exercising the judgment, nor of learning the
factual
knowledge, required to be a pilot.


A coworker was at something like 30 hours before she broke off her
training.
She just couldn't get the hang of landing the airplane. She still wants
to fly,
and will likely try again sometime in the future. Though I'm not a CFI, I
still
want to say that I don't think her problem is judgement or motor skills
(unless
somehow she is different in the airplane than on the ground). When she
starts
her training again and gets to solo will be a treat.

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Did she ever try different instructor during that 30 hours?


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Old December 1st 06, 04:43 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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How come no one ever mentions instruction curriculum in these discussions?

An independent instructor might "solo" a quick learner, then jump right
back into the airplane for many more hours of dual.

A structured 141 school's program might require the student to
demonstrate proficiency on more maneuvers, be comfortable on the radio,
cover more emergency procedures, take a pre-solo stage check ride, etc...

My 141 school required me to experience demonstrated stuff like
accelerated stalls, secondary stalls, and to perform pattern trips and
very low approaches with simulated aileron, elevator, and rudder
failures, as well as some instrument failures. I also had to do a
pre-solo stage check with a different instructor.

I very successfully took my FAA check ride well before the national
average hours (including three stage checks for ~ 5 flight hours), yet
my symbolic "first solo" was farther along than many who brag about how
quickly they were able to do so.
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Old December 1st 06, 09:34 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
B A R R Y wrote:

[snip]
I very successfully took my FAA check ride well before the national
average hours (including three stage checks for ~ 5 flight hours), yet
my symbolic "first solo" was farther along than many who brag about how
quickly they were able to do so.


a lot of times this kind of thing comes up in r.a.s. people will talk
about how hours to solo isn't a race, and the objective is to learn
enough to pass the checkride for the ASEL, etc etc.

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Old December 1st 06, 09:32 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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In article ,
"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote:

Did she ever try different instructor during that 30 hours?


I'm not sure. I think it was part 141 through an USAF aeroclub.
I don't know if they would try that without prompting from the student.

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Old December 3rd 06, 12:29 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On 2006-11-30 19:31:42 -0700, Bob Noel
said:

In article ,
"Peter Duniho" wrote:

As you correctly point out, the bulk of being a pilot has to do with
judgment and factual knowledge, rather than motor skills (especially
with current aircraft design...this wasn't always true, IMHO). And
frankly, not everyone is capable of exercising the judgment, nor of
learning the factual knowledge, required to be a pilot.


A coworker was at something like 30 hours before she broke off her training.
She just couldn't get the hang of landing the airplane. She still
wants to fly, and will likely try again sometime in the future. Though
I'm not a CFI, I still want to say that I don't think her problem is
judgement or motor skills (unless somehow she is different in the
airplane than on the ground). When she starts
her training again and gets to solo will be a treat.


I agree. Her problem is she needs a good instructor if her only issue
was not getting a feeling for landings.

I didn't solo til 40 hours (was about 2 years ago now) and that was my
exact issue, landings freaked my beak and the instructor(s) didn't care
or know enough to help.

At almost 500 hours now and commercial multi rated I've decided to do
AOPA's Project Pilot to help people avoid some of the issues I had with
learning to fly. I feel that poor quality of instruction stifles more
potential pilots than anything.

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Old December 1st 06, 02:26 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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If someone said they took 75 hours for solo, I will start by first
asking questions about their instructor.



I'd start asking questions about their therapist. 75 hours is a waste of
everyone's time.

Some people just don't cut it. Easy to blame the instructor, but that's just
trying rationalize their own lack of ability.


Karl




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Old December 3rd 06, 12:34 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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On 2006-11-30 19:26:38 -0700, "karl gruber" said:

If someone said they took 75 hours for solo, I will start by first
asking questions about their instructor.



I'd start asking questions about their therapist. 75 hours is a waste
of everyone's time.

Some people just don't cut it. Easy to blame the instructor, but that's
just trying rationalize their own lack of ability.


Karl


Karl makes a stupid generalized statement. Instructors have more
influence over student success than you realize Karl.

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Old December 3rd 06, 06:40 PM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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Karl makes a stupid generalized statement. Instructors have more influence
over student success than you realize Karl.



It can't be a generalized statement because the "general" student solos
after vastly fewer hours. They should be aggressively weeded out way before
70 hr.

Again, not everyone is cut out to be a pilot. And a beginner, like you at
500 hrs, has little experience to back up your statements. How many students
have YOU soloed?

Karl


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Old December 1st 06, 03:10 AM posted to rec.aviation.piloting
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This is exactly the type of comments that makes me sad to hear from
pilots - 'not everyone is cut out to be a pilot'. This attempts to make
the point that pilots are some kind of superior being.


I don't think so. Some people are good at some things and not so good
at others. Others are good at other things, and not so good at some
things. Neither is "superior", but for all things, some people will be
better at it, and some will be not so good. Some will be terrible.

Flying is just one of those things.

Albert Einstein didn't speak until he was four years old and wasn't
fluent until at least age eight. I suppose you would claim that he was
not cut out to be an intelligent person.


No, just not cut out to be a politician.

Jose
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