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![]() "Bob Noel" wrote in message ... In article , "Peter Duniho" wrote: As you correctly point out, the bulk of being a pilot has to do with judgment and factual knowledge, rather than motor skills (especially with current aircraft design...this wasn't always true, IMHO). And frankly, not everyone is capable of exercising the judgment, nor of learning the factual knowledge, required to be a pilot. A coworker was at something like 30 hours before she broke off her training. She just couldn't get the hang of landing the airplane. She still wants to fly, and will likely try again sometime in the future. Though I'm not a CFI, I still want to say that I don't think her problem is judgement or motor skills (unless somehow she is different in the airplane than on the ground). When she starts her training again and gets to solo will be a treat. -- Did she ever try different instructor during that 30 hours? |
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![]() How come no one ever mentions instruction curriculum in these discussions? An independent instructor might "solo" a quick learner, then jump right back into the airplane for many more hours of dual. A structured 141 school's program might require the student to demonstrate proficiency on more maneuvers, be comfortable on the radio, cover more emergency procedures, take a pre-solo stage check ride, etc... My 141 school required me to experience demonstrated stuff like accelerated stalls, secondary stalls, and to perform pattern trips and very low approaches with simulated aileron, elevator, and rudder failures, as well as some instrument failures. I also had to do a pre-solo stage check with a different instructor. I very successfully took my FAA check ride well before the national average hours (including three stage checks for ~ 5 flight hours), yet my symbolic "first solo" was farther along than many who brag about how quickly they were able to do so. |
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B A R R Y wrote: [snip] I very successfully took my FAA check ride well before the national average hours (including three stage checks for ~ 5 flight hours), yet my symbolic "first solo" was farther along than many who brag about how quickly they were able to do so. a lot of times this kind of thing comes up in r.a.s. people will talk about how hours to solo isn't a race, and the objective is to learn enough to pass the checkride for the ASEL, etc etc. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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"Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net wrote: Did she ever try different instructor during that 30 hours? I'm not sure. I think it was part 141 through an USAF aeroclub. I don't know if they would try that without prompting from the student. -- Bob Noel Looking for a sig the lawyers will hate |
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On 2006-11-30 19:31:42 -0700, Bob Noel
said: In article , "Peter Duniho" wrote: As you correctly point out, the bulk of being a pilot has to do with judgment and factual knowledge, rather than motor skills (especially with current aircraft design...this wasn't always true, IMHO). And frankly, not everyone is capable of exercising the judgment, nor of learning the factual knowledge, required to be a pilot. A coworker was at something like 30 hours before she broke off her training. She just couldn't get the hang of landing the airplane. She still wants to fly, and will likely try again sometime in the future. Though I'm not a CFI, I still want to say that I don't think her problem is judgement or motor skills (unless somehow she is different in the airplane than on the ground). When she starts her training again and gets to solo will be a treat. I agree. Her problem is she needs a good instructor if her only issue was not getting a feeling for landings. I didn't solo til 40 hours (was about 2 years ago now) and that was my exact issue, landings freaked my beak and the instructor(s) didn't care or know enough to help. At almost 500 hours now and commercial multi rated I've decided to do AOPA's Project Pilot to help people avoid some of the issues I had with learning to fly. I feel that poor quality of instruction stifles more potential pilots than anything. |
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If someone said they took 75 hours for solo, I will start by first
asking questions about their instructor. I'd start asking questions about their therapist. 75 hours is a waste of everyone's time. Some people just don't cut it. Easy to blame the instructor, but that's just trying rationalize their own lack of ability. Karl |
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On 2006-11-30 19:26:38 -0700, "karl gruber" said:
If someone said they took 75 hours for solo, I will start by first asking questions about their instructor. I'd start asking questions about their therapist. 75 hours is a waste of everyone's time. Some people just don't cut it. Easy to blame the instructor, but that's just trying rationalize their own lack of ability. Karl Karl makes a stupid generalized statement. Instructors have more influence over student success than you realize Karl. |
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![]() Karl makes a stupid generalized statement. Instructors have more influence over student success than you realize Karl. It can't be a generalized statement because the "general" student solos after vastly fewer hours. They should be aggressively weeded out way before 70 hr. Again, not everyone is cut out to be a pilot. And a beginner, like you at 500 hrs, has little experience to back up your statements. How many students have YOU soloed? Karl |
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This is exactly the type of comments that makes me sad to hear from
pilots - 'not everyone is cut out to be a pilot'. This attempts to make the point that pilots are some kind of superior being. I don't think so. Some people are good at some things and not so good at others. Others are good at other things, and not so good at some things. Neither is "superior", but for all things, some people will be better at it, and some will be not so good. Some will be terrible. Flying is just one of those things. Albert Einstein didn't speak until he was four years old and wasn't fluent until at least age eight. I suppose you would claim that he was not cut out to be an intelligent person. No, just not cut out to be a politician. Jose -- "There are 3 secrets to the perfect landing. Unfortunately, nobody knows what they are." - (mike). for Email, make the obvious change in the address. |
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