IFR Cancellation Question

Roy Smith wrote:

At a towered airport without radar, you are still IFR until your wheels
touch the ground (assuming you don't cancel on your own).


The same applies at towered airports with radar.

A Lieberma wrote:



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???

ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a towered
field. You just land.

Newps wrote:


A Lieberma wrote:



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???

ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a towered
field. You just land.

Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



A Lieberma wrote:



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???


ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a
towered field. You just land.


Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?

ATC as in approach takes no overt action. The tower controller hits the
land line to approach and says "N12345 is on the ground" end of IFR flight.

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



A Lieberma wrote:



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???


ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a
towered field. You just land.


Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?

The tower will know if you landed. What did you think happened?

Ron Natalie wrote:

Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?


If the tower sees you on the runway they know you didn't crash on
approach.

A Lieberma wrote:

Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR
clearance still applies for airspace seperation?


Still IFR.



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???


IFR is cancelled upon landing.

A Lieberma wrote:
Newps wrote in
:


Approach can do both. It depends on the service they are able to
provide.


For VFR handling, I would agree with the above, though in my neck of the
woods, I have never heard approach tell VFR traffic to squawk VFR and
expect them to contact tower on their own.

That is a regional thing. Some places are famous for terminating
aircraft very close to a class D boundary.




For IFR handling, approach would hold me to tower frequency and
cancellation of IFR is terminated once wheels touch terra firma is what I
was lead to believe. Surely they wouldn't (or couldn't) terminate radar
services before having me contact tower at a controlled airport?

Sure they can. If they don't have radar coverage they will terminate you.