IFR Cancellation Question

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



A Lieberma wrote:



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???


ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a
towered field. You just land.


Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?

The tower will know if you landed. What did you think happened?

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Newps wrote:

Ron Natalie wrote:
Newps wrote:



A Lieberma wrote:



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???


ATC takes no overt action to cancel an IFR aircraft landing at a
towered field. You just land.


Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?

The tower will know if you landed. What did you think happened?

What happens (I'm mostly thinking helicopters here) if you land someplace
within the CDSA that's off-airport and out of sight of the tower? For
example, at HPN, we've got a private helipad not far from the airport. I
don't imagine that's too unusual.

Roy Smith wrote:



What happens (I'm mostly thinking helicopters here) if you land someplace
within the CDSA that's off-airport and out of sight of the tower? For
example, at HPN, we've got a private helipad not far from the airport. I
don't imagine that's too unusual.

The tower would have you report to them and that would be the end of it.

Newps wrote:

Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?

The tower will know if you landed. What did you think happened?


I don't know how it happens, but the requirement is that they're
supposed to notice whether I have arrived at my destination not
whether I was handed off by approach. This means one of two
things:

1. Tower must tell the system that I've landed.
2. Tower must tell the system that I haven't landed.

Ron Natalie wrote:

Newps wrote:

Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?


The tower will know if you landed. What did you think happened?



I don't know how it happens, but the requirement is that they're
supposed to notice whether I have arrived at my destination not
whether I was handed off by approach. This means one of two
things:

1. Tower must tell the system that I've landed.
2. Tower must tell the system that I haven't landed.


The tower is "the system". At a tower without radar the approach
control will call on the landline and tell them about the IFR inbound.
At the agreed upon time/place the approach control tells the aircraft to
contact tower. Aircraft lands. Tower goes back to conversation on how
bad the Bears quarterback really is. The only time the tower calls the
approach control back is if something unusual happens. Aircraft never
calls tower at the expected time, aircraft has some kind of problem that
requires him to manuver unexpectedly thereby possibly affecting
separation of others inbound or outbound, etc. A normal approach and
landing is what's expected.
In a tower with radar all the above happens without a call on the
landline. The transfer of information is automated.

Ron Natalie wrote:

I don't know how it happens, but the requirement is that they're
supposed to notice whether I have arrived at my destination not
whether I was handed off by approach. This means one of two
things:

1. Tower must tell the system that I've landed.
2. Tower must tell the system that I haven't landed.


1. Tower is part of the system.
2. Tower sees you land.
3. The system knows you landed.

1. Tower doesn't see you land.
2. Tower calls you on radio.
3. You don't respond to tower.
4. Tower initiates search.

OR

3. You respond "missed approach".
4. Tower says "contact departure".


OR

Several other variations. The point is no action is taken by the tower
to cancel an IFR flight plan for a landing aircraft because there
simply isn't any action that needs to be taken.

Ron Natalie wrote:

Really, then how does the system know you landed and not crashed on
approach?


If the tower sees you on the runway they know you didn't crash on
approach.

A Lieberma wrote:

Ok, makes sense on the radar services being terminated, but the IFR
clearance still applies for airspace seperation?


Still IFR.



IFR would be then cancelled once wheels touch ground???


IFR is cancelled upon landing.