Taking newbies flying...

Have I got this right? You are not a flight instructor. (If you are,
please correct me.) Despite this, you hand over the controls to a
stranger. To a stranger nonetheless who sits the first time in his life
in a small plane. And you don't just hand over the controls at altitude
(which admittedly I have done myself), but right on the ground and you
let him fly the take off. Then you let him fly a 180 at low altitude.
And all this *with a passenger in the back*!

Yes, you screwed up royally. But for a different reason than you think.

Stefan

Stefan writes:

Have I got this right? You are not a flight instructor. (If you are,
please correct me.) Despite this, you hand over the controls to a
stranger. To a stranger nonetheless who sits the first time in his life
in a small plane. And you don't just hand over the controls at altitude
(which admittedly I have done myself), but right on the ground and you
let him fly the take off. Then you let him fly a 180 at low altitude.
And all this *with a passenger in the back*!

Yes, you screwed up royally. But for a different reason than you think.

Everything seems to have gone well.

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"Stefan" wrote:

Have I got this right? You are not a flight instructor. (If you are,
please correct me.) Despite this, you hand over the controls to a
stranger.

Where did you get the idea it was a stranger?


--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

("Dan Luke" wrote)
Have I got this right? You are not a flight instructor. (If you are,
please correct me.) Despite this, you hand over the controls to a
stranger.

Where did you get the idea it was a stranger?


Nice save Dan :-)


Montblack

"Stefan" wrote

Have I got this right? You are not a flight instructor. (If you are, please
correct me.) Despite this, you hand over the controls to a stranger. To a
stranger nonetheless who sits the first time in his life in a small plane. And
you don't just hand over the controls at altitude (which admittedly I have
done myself), but right on the ground and you let him fly the take off. Then
you let him fly a 180 at low altitude. And all this *with a passenger in the
back*!

Yes, you screwed up royally. But for a different reason than you think.

What is the big F'en problem, here?

If the newbie happened to do it right, and it sounds like he did, there is no
problem. If he starts to get outside of the expected flight parameters, you
nudge and urge corrections, and if that doesn't work, you say "my plane."

Do you think that he could not tell if something was happening that was a trend
in the wrong direction? Do you think that everyone who takes the controls is
going to horse them, and screw up? If that were the case, there would be far
less new students. Perhaps that is the problem. People are so stuck on the
fact that flying is for supermen, and themselves, and nobody else deserves the
chance to prove themselves.

So what difference does it make, if he is a instructor or not. I'm willing to
place money on the fact that there are many people who are not certified flight
instructors that are way better teachers than many of the certified flight
instructors out there flying people and sometimes students with passengers
around the sky. How many people here, got to do the first takeoff that they
were in the plane, and the maneuvers following that, too? I'll bet over half
got to do the landing, with plenty of coaching and a few corrections, too.

I think your reaction is way, way over the top, on this one.

Remember the adage of many examiners, about predicting the students abilities,
and whether they will pass, or not? If you don't, it goes something like " I
can tell if the student will be able to fly, and pass, while the plane is still
being taxied out for takeoff."

So he was able to tell that the new person had a good feel for the plane, right
off the bat. It does not take a piece of paper with a bunch of initials on it
to be able to do that.

Good going, Allen. You may have just won another person over to our side.
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote

Good going, Allen. You may have just won another person over to our side.

OOps! I lost track of the OP. Good going, Dan. Allen, you have to go out and
do this for yourself! g
--
Jim in NC

"Morgans" wrote in
:

OOps! I lost track of the OP. Good going, Dan. Allen, you have to
go out and do this for yourself! g

Be glad to Jim!!! :-))

Allen

He's from Switzerland, they tend to avoid anything controversial.

Morgans wrote:

"Stefan" wrote

Have I got this right? You are not a flight instructor. (If you are,
please correct me.) Despite this, you hand over the controls to a
stranger. To a stranger nonetheless who sits the first time in his
life in a small plane. And you don't just hand over the controls at
altitude (which admittedly I have done myself), but right on the
ground and you let him fly the take off. Then you let him fly a 180 at
low altitude. And all this *with a passenger in the back*!

Yes, you screwed up royally. But for a different reason than you think.


What is the big F'en problem, here?

If the newbie happened to do it right, and it sounds like he did, there
is no problem. If he starts to get outside of the expected flight
parameters, you nudge and urge corrections, and if that doesn't work,
you say "my plane."

Do you think that he could not tell if something was happening that was
a trend in the wrong direction? Do you think that everyone who takes
the controls is going to horse them, and screw up? If that were the
case, there would be far less new students. Perhaps that is the
problem. People are so stuck on the fact that flying is for supermen,
and themselves, and nobody else deserves the chance to prove themselves.

So what difference does it make, if he is a instructor or not. I'm
willing to place money on the fact that there are many people who are
not certified flight instructors that are way better teachers than many
of the certified flight instructors out there flying people and
sometimes students with passengers around the sky. How many people
here, got to do the first takeoff that they were in the plane, and the
maneuvers following that, too? I'll bet over half got to do the
landing, with plenty of coaching and a few corrections, too.

I think your reaction is way, way over the top, on this one.

Remember the adage of many examiners, about predicting the students
abilities, and whether they will pass, or not? If you don't, it goes
something like " I can tell if the student will be able to fly, and
pass, while the plane is still being taxied out for takeoff."

So he was able to tell that the new person had a good feel for the
plane, right off the bat. It does not take a piece of paper with a
bunch of initials on it to be able to do that.

Good going, Allen. You may have just won another person over to our side.

"Robert Chambers" wrote in message
...
He's from Switzerland, they tend to avoid anything controversial.

Like the sex change operations they have been doing for decades? g

Really, Stefan has been a good contributor, but I just think he missed the mark,
on this call.
--
Jim in NC

Morgans writes:

Like the sex change operations they have been doing for decades? g

Perhaps you are thinking of Sweden.

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