Air buss loss at Paris Airshow?

Stefan writes:

It's obviously not shared by many engineers and human factor experts at
airbus.

And that's the problem with Airbus.

Answerinig in four different posts to the same article without snipping
a single line is very poor design, too. I hope you did a better job at
Boeing.

I hope you can come up with a more persuasive counterargument than a
personal attack.

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Greg Farris wrote:
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Oh, so if my professional opinion does not agree with yours, it is
childish. That's a very high horse you are riding Greg.

The fact of the matter is that my opinion of the A320 autothrottle
design is shared by many engineers and human factors experts at Boeing.
It is a poor design. It is a dangerous design. It adds a barrier to
the pilot. Moving the throttle handles should always result in a
direct control of the engines. Pushing the autothrottle disconnect
button should not be necessary to accomplish this. The backdriven
handles on the Boeing airplanes is far safer than the A320
implementation.

So, what are your qualifications Greg?

Dean


I agree with you. I think Boeing has the right idea on the pilot
controlling the airplane. There are too many cases of Airbus accidents
because the airplane decided it knew what was right and the pilot had to
fight the plane for control. In my opinion the pilot is ALWAYS right.

Danny Deger

"Danny Deger" wrote:

There are too many cases of Airbus accidents because the airplane
decided it knew what was right and the pilot had to fight the plane
for control. In my opinion the pilot is ALWAYS right.

If the Airbus controls are so bad, then why isn't it reflected in the
accident rate? Overall, there really isn't much difference, as shown in
this site:

http://www.airsafe.com/events/models/rate_mod.htm

Danny,

There are too many cases of Airbus accidents
because the airplane decided it knew what was right and the pilot had to
fight the plane for control. In my opinion the pilot is ALWAYS right.


You are actually of the opinion that there are fewer cases where pilots
have made gross mistakes in aircraft accidents than cases where the
accident happened because "the pilot had to fight the plane for control"?
Wow! Care to show us with accident reports how anyone could possibly come
up with that view?

The one that comes to mind is the Nagoya (?) TOGA accident. What aircraft
was that again? And how was that not the pilots being UTTERLY WRONG and
THEN fighting the plane for control?

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James Robinson writes:

If the Airbus controls are so bad, then why isn't it reflected in the
accident rate?

If the Airbus controls are so good, why aren't the accident rates for
the aircraft substantially lower?

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Mxsmanic wrote:

James Robinson writes:

If the Airbus controls are so bad, then why isn't it reflected in the
accident rate?

If the Airbus controls are so good, why aren't the accident rates for
the aircraft substantially lower?

Perhaps because it doesn't make any difference, and all the argument is a
waste of time.

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Danny,

There are too many cases of Airbus accidents
because the airplane decided it knew what was right and the pilot had to
fight the plane for control. In my opinion the pilot is ALWAYS right.


You are actually of the opinion that there are fewer cases where pilots
have made gross mistakes in aircraft accidents than cases where the
accident happened because "the pilot had to fight the plane for control"?
Wow! Care to show us with accident reports how anyone could possibly come
up with that view?

The one that comes to mind is the Nagoya (?) TOGA accident. What aircraft
was that again? And how was that not the pilots being UTTERLY WRONG and
THEN fighting the plane for control?

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

IMHO, you have now made Danny's and Dean's points better than I ever could.

See: http://sunnyday.mit.edu/accidents/nag-2.html

Peter

James Robinson writes:

Perhaps because it doesn't make any difference, and all the argument is a
waste of time.

If it doesn't make any difference, then there's no harm in giving the
pilot the final say.

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Peter,

IMHO, you have now made Danny's and Dean's points better than I ever could.


You have to explain that to me. Especially since we're talking about the
A300, a non-FBW aircraft.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)