Co-pilots May Sim instead of Fly to Train

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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Do I think either of them could do it for real just because they did it
in
the office on the sim - nope, not a chance. What does this tell me? -
just
because you can do it in the sim doesn't mean you can do it when it
counts.

No, it just tells you that you don't believe they could do it for
real. Without actually trying it, you'll never know.

Would you care to sit in the back seat when someone tries this?

Do a search of the NTSB records and see how many "continued VFR" type
accidents you can find.

There's a good chance that they could do it for real, depending on
their personalities.

Preposterous.

The sim has its place for sure, but it will never replace actual
experience.

Saying that over and over doesn't make it true.

Obviously nothing, including facts and real world evidence will suffice to
convince you.

I did my first skydive quite awhile ago before tandems were popular. I

That was you. But not everyone is like you.

Yes, that is true.

BDS

BDS writes:

Would you care to sit in the back seat when someone tries this?

No. But until you do it, you're poorly placed to make any
pronouncements about it.

That's what simulators are all about. What good is practicing a
procedure if you die in the process?

Obviously nothing, including facts and real world evidence will suffice to
convince you.

Facts and real-world evidence are persuasive. Emotional outbursts,
repetition, and personal attacks are not.

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"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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No. But until you do it, you're poorly placed to make any
pronouncements about it.

Coming from you that is a pretty funny statement.

Hey, it's been fun but now this is way past tedious so au revoir.

BDS

Simulators are used for everything, from designing bridges, to
skyscrapers, integrated circuits, airplanes and spacecrafts. Simulators
are even used for making other simulators. I doubt there is anything
done in this world today without first doing a computer simulation. In
aviation, FAA has its own definition of what a simulator is, but that
does not make every other PC based simulator just a game. We have a
ancient piece of crap at a local FBO in which you can legally log
simulator time. If it weren't for that fact, no one would pay a dime to
sit in it. But people pay $25/hr for the priviledge of using it.





BDS wrote:
"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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There's no such thing as magic.

No, but until humans can function completely separate from emotion and
stress, and the psychological impact they have on performance, experience in
a simulator will never be equal to the real thing. Confidence in one's
ability to perform a task comes from prior experience under similar
conditions - the conditions in a sim are nothing like real life.

You will never have any credibility on the subject until you can speak
from
a background of experience in both areas.

You speak only for yourself, of course.

No, I believe I speak for quite a few people here. But, even if that
weren't true, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone
who is talking from a background of zero experience doesn't have much
credibility in the subject matter.

BDS

BDS writes:

No, but until humans can function completely separate from emotion and
stress, and the psychological impact they have on performance, experience in
a simulator will never be equal to the real thing.

That's why it's called a simulator.

However, a simulator doesn't have to provide identical experience in
order to accomplish its purpose (which, in this case, might be to
train airline pilots).

Confidence in one's
ability to perform a task comes from prior experience under similar
conditions - the conditions in a sim are nothing like real life.

They can be made as close to real life as required. Try it.

But, even if that
weren't true, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that someone
who is talking from a background of zero experience doesn't have much
credibility in the subject matter.

Anyone who depends on credibility is already making a serious mistake.

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