You Know You're Old Dept.

Richard Isakson wrote:


Hey Bubba, if you remember Swift Aire, You ARE old.

Rich

YEAH! And I've got pictures of their aircraft, too!

On tin type in sepia tone! G

anon wrote:
"DABEAR" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
passenger windows.

As a kid, I remember checking out a VIP Transport A-3 at Andrews. It had
leather seats!!

I've had only one opportunity to fly in an aircraft as a passenger and
find myself sitting in leather seats:

Swift Aire Lines, DeHavilland Heron, four-engines if you can believe it
(old RAF Military Utility Transport ~ the twin version was the "Dove"),
from Los Angeles to Santa Maria.

Would love to get me one of those!

Mojave has a flight tester, modified, just sitting with the wings
off...tempting! G

Five Questions out of curiousity: 1) Are all ultralights single
engine, and if not, 2) what ultra light(s) possess the most? 3) What
is the lightest engine in use on an ultralight? And 4) how much does
the engine weigh? 5) I've been told that the replica Wright Flyers
qualify as Ultra Lights, as do some of the pioneering aircraft 1903 -
1914 ~ is this true?

Thanks in advance for any answers I can get...

On 31 Dec 2006 22:25:37 -0800, "DABEAR"
wrote:


You can bet I'm old, I can remember when many early military aircraft
used to stop at Visalia, California airport when flying through the
central valley. Visalia had a long runway for those days. Among the
aircraft I saw there were a squadron of Curtiss Hawk P6E's from
Selfridge Field in the Snow owl paint jobs; a squadron of Martin B-10
or 12's; several versions of the Northrup attack and Consolidated
attack aircraft, I can't remember the numbers; an Grumman F3F1 and
later at the start of the war it was a base for Lockheed Hudsons,
P-61s and A-26s. B-17s, B-24s and B25s frequently landed there.

"anon" wrote in message
m...

"DABEAR" wrote in message
ups.com...
Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
passenger windows.

As a kid, I remember checking out a VIP Transport A-3 at Andrews. It had
leather seats!!

The VIP transport is the same frame as the TA-3 and EA-3. The TA-3 was
designed as a Bombardier/Navigator trainer. The TA-3's cabin area housed a
300 lb analogue computer , that's right, I said analogue (gears, servos,
and mechanical integrator), and several navigation tables complete with
sextant mounts. The EA-3s were loaded with electronic equipment to monitor
the USSR military technology and operations. Another variation of this
airframe was the RA-3 photo bird. In addition to cameras, it had a small
bomb bay for photo flares.

CNO's CA-3 ... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/144865.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedp...57VIPTABLE.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedp...4857IntFwd.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedp...4857IntAft.jpg

TA-3...... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg11photos/ta3b00_2.jpg

EA-3 ..... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/jpg/seabrine.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg10phot...9_interior.gif
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/gif/a-3r12.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/km2.jpg

RA-3 ..... http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/wp1.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg9photos/2p.jpg (notice the 20
mm cannons. http://www.a3skywarrior.com/jpg/guns.jpg)
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg12photos/web4.jpg

Perspective of the A-3s size ...
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/donatedpics/cat%20prep.jpg

One small point. The A-3 did NOT have ejection seats!!!
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg17photos/Adams11.jpg
http://www.a3skywarrior.com/pg17photos/Adams11.jpg
A sudden heavy gust from starboard on a close in approach with no time to
correct. Luckily the hook didn't engage a wire. LCDR John Priest got it
airborne again and limped to Iwakuni and made a successful landing with no
hydraulics and the port wing bet up 10 degrees.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com

Wayne: I'll see your A3D and raise with a B-36

--
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Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
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"DABEAR" wrote in message
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Wayne Paul wrote:

I get the same type of a blank stare when I mention A3D.

Hughes Electronics has a fleet of them operational at Van Nuys Airport,
California. They even have a C.O.D. version of sorts, complete with
passenger windows. They come in and land, then utilize drogue chutes
after touchdown. They're based out of the old Volpar building by the
looks of it.

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
Wayne: I'll see your A3D and raise with a B-36

--

Ah, the aluminum overcast. Seems there were a few other names for it.
I used to watch them land at Kelly. Seemed the rollout was a bit
longer than forever.

I was on Shemya, Alaska for a short tour and it was named as an
alternate once for some special mission. I could not imagine a 36
makeing a successful landing there.

Harry K

Stuart,

When I was in high school we lived in northern Idaho. Our home was about
100 miles from Fairchild AFB. I distenctly remember hearing the B-36's
rumble and seeing the contrails streaming from each engine as they flew over
Troy.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/



"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" wrote in message
...
Wayne: I'll see your A3D and raise with a B-36

--
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
...
Stuart,

When I was in high school we lived in northern Idaho. Our home was about
100 miles from Fairchild AFB. I distenctly remember hearing the B-36's
rumble and seeing the contrails streaming from each engine as they flew
over Troy.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

C-82s McChord AFB 53-54
C-47s Korea 54-55 (last C-47 Sqdn in the AF)
B-36 Fairchild AFB 55-56 I probably was in one of those you
saw.....................

Ramey AFB Puerto Rico 72 Strategic Bomb Wing. 54-56.
We had Curtis Lemays Brother-in-law for a Wing commander. Wore a small
tiger emblem on the back of his helmet liner.

--
Stuart Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


" Don L n FTW" wrote in message
news

"Wayne Paul" wrote in message
...
Stuart,

When I was in high school we lived in northern Idaho. Our home was
about
100 miles from Fairchild AFB. I distenctly remember hearing the B-36's
rumble and seeing the contrails streaming from each engine as they flew
over Troy.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/

C-82s McChord AFB 53-54
C-47s Korea 54-55 (last C-47 Sqdn in the AF)
B-36 Fairchild AFB 55-56 I probably was in one of those you
saw.....................