Lucky to be alive?

Gig 601XL Builder writes:

Are you asking about the first or second part of my statement.

The first, about revoking his license.

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601XL Builder wrote:



He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with
the FSDO as well.


Why would you think that?

Are you questioning the first or second part of the statement?

For part one the guy acted in a reckless manner.

For part two, around these parts the FSDO has been having meetings with the
instructors of low time pilots that have done have had accidents. In one
case the Part time CFI was told he was going to have to take a check ride
because his yet uncertificated but soloed student wrecked a 172. This was a
CFI with at least 20 years experience. He was told (by an aviation lawyer)
that should he fail the check ride not only would his CFI certificates but
his ATP would also be at risk. He chose not to take the check ride and give
up his CFI tickets because instructing for him was a side line to his flying
day job.

"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message
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john smith wrote:
Family’s faith stronger after plane crash
Worthington couple, kids walk away after aircraft goes down in North
Carolina fog
Monday, January 01, 2007


Mr. Ducatte, a chemist at Battelle, has a basic pilot’s license and has
been flying a few years. He said he is thankful for his flight
instructor, Chuck Miele.



He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with
the FSDO as well.

From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the
overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the
destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the way?

The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps,
r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a
reaction. I guess they got away with it.

But, I will aggree, he has a real problem with getthereitis. Lucky a whole
bunch of people didn't end up dead.

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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:

"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message
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john smith wrote:
Family’s faith stronger after plane crash
Worthington couple, kids walk away after aircraft goes down in North
Carolina fog
Monday, January 01, 2007


Mr. Ducatte, a chemist at Battelle, has a basic pilot’s license and has
been flying a few years. He said he is thankful for his flight
instructor, Chuck Miele.



He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting with
the FSDO as well.

From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the
overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the
destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the way?

The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps,
r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a
reaction. I guess they got away with it.

VFR over the top here in the states is quite common.


But, I will aggree, he has a real problem with getthereitis. Lucky a whole
bunch of people didn't end up dead.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:

"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message
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He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting
with
the FSDO as well.

From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the
overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the
destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the
way?

The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps,
r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a
reaction. I guess they got away with it.

VFR over the top here in the states is quite common.


So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck
ran out?

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Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
"Roger" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:


"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message
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He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting
with
the FSDO as well.

From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the

overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the
destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the
way?

The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps,
r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a
reaction. I guess they got away with it.

VFR over the top here in the states is quite common.



So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck
ran out?

Because it sounded like the descended through an area of less than VFR
visibility (maybe even through a cloud layer, I don't recall the
specifics) and crashed. That has nothing to do wtih flying VFR above a
cloud layer.


Matt

On Thu, 4 Jan 2007 17:52:30 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:

"Roger" wrote in message
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On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:29:41 -0500, "Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe" The Sea
Hawk at wow way d0t com wrote:

"601XL Builder" wrDOTgiacona@suddenlinkDOTnet wrote in message
...
...

He needs his ticket yanked and I'll bet his instructor has a meeting
with
the FSDO as well.

From the description, it sounds like he attempted VFR over the top of the
overcast - I assume he was counting on a hole somewhere near the
destination? Perhaps he had a favorable forcast for somewhere down the
way?

The funny thing is that I have heard others on this newsgroup (or perhaps,
r.a.student) talk about doing exactly the same thing with not much of a
reaction. I guess they got away with it.

VFR over the top here in the states is quite common.


So then, why is everyone trying to get on this guy's case. Because his luck
ran out?

I'd guess because he apparently descended through the clag with out a
rating instead of proceeding on to where he could let down VFR.
Although the one area reported 1000 foot ceilings it appears others
were reporting much less and some cases of fog.

VFR over the TOP is taking a calculated risk and should be done with
"known" good VFR below the ceiling.(at least 1500 and 5) You also need
to know what is below just in case the engine quits or you smell
something burning. Plus you need good VFR within reach plus some
reserve.

The problem as I see it (with what information I have), is not that
his luck ran out, but with lack of planning, he made some poor
decisions resulting in a dangerous situation where he needed that
luck..
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

"Roger" wrote in message
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VFR over the top here in the states is quite common.


I thought VFR over cloud cover was only legal if the ground can be sighted
at least once every 30 minutes.
Oz/Crash Lander

I thought VFR over cloud cover was only legal if the ground can be sighted
at least once every 30 minutes.

In the states it is legal without such a restriction. In fact, such a
restriction doesn't make sense, since you don't know (until it happens)
when you'll be able to sight ground, nor is that glimpse necessarily all
that helpful. What's the rule in Oz?

Jose
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Crash Lander writes:

I thought VFR over cloud cover was only legal if the ground can be sighted
at least once every 30 minutes.

In that case, an SR-71 can fly anywhere in the world under VFR.

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