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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

Only the military is exempt from operations at speeds in excess of 250
knots below 10,000'.

That's not true.

91.117 Aircraft speed.

[snip]

(d) If the minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater than
the maximum speed prescribed in this section, the aircraft may be operated at
that minimum speed.


And the USAF has its own rules which basically mirror the FAA requirements on
civilian aircraft wrt airspeed limits. Not that it's an exception rather than
an exemption.

SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE
AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 11-202, VOLUME 3
16 FEBRUARY 2005
Flying Operations
GENERAL FLIGHT RULES

5.7. Aircraft Speed.
5.7.1. Supersonic Flight. The PIC will not allow the aircraft to operate at or
above Mach l except as specified in AFI 13-201. Inadvertent flights above Mach
will be handled IAW AFI 13-201.

5.7.2. In the NAS. The PIC will:

5.7.2.1. Not allow their aircraft to exceed 250 knots indicated airspeed (KIAS)
below 10,000 ft. MSL unless the MAJCOM has approved a higher speed IAW paragraph
5.7.5., FAA Speed Authorization.

5.7.2.2. Not allow their aircraft to exceed 200 KIAS at or below 2,500 ft. AGL
within 4 NMs of the primary airport of a Class C or Class D airspace area unless
authorized or required by ATC, or required to maintain the minimum safe
maneuvering airspeed specified in the aircraft T.O.

5.7.2.3. Not allow their aircraft to exceed 200 KIAS in the airspace underlying
a Class B airspace area designated for an airport or in a VFR corridor
designated through Class B airspace area, unless required to maintain the
minimum safe maneuvering airspeed specified in the aircraft T.O.

[snip]

5.7.5. FAA Speed Authorization. The FAA recognizes that certain military
operations and training requirements cannot be met under the terms of the FAR
91.117, Aircraft Speed, and has therefore granted a speed authorization. The
authorization grants an exception to aircraft having flight characteristics that
preclude safe operations at speeds below 250 KIAS by providing that if the
minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater than the maximum
speed prescribed, the aircraft may be operated at the minimum safe speed.

5.7.5.1. When the Authorization Applies. Air Force pilots may operate their
aircraft below 10,000 ft. MSL, within US airspace, in excess of 250 KIAS only
under the following conditions:

5.7.5.1.1. Within restricted areas.

5.7.5.1.2. Within Military Operating Areas (MOAs).

5.7.5.1.3. When operating within MAJCOM approved large-scale exercises or
short-term special missions.

5.7.5.1.4. Within published IFR MTRs.

5.7.5.1.5. Within published VFR MTRs. (Exception. Aircraft will not exceed 250
KIAS on SR routes)

5.7.5.1.6. Within defined areas or routes that have been coordinated and
concurred on by the proper MAJCOM and FAA regions, but have not yet been
published. This provision is intended to accommodate speed requirements on an
interim basis until the area/route can be published.

5.7.5.1.7. When the aircraft T.O. requires or recommends a higher speed in order
to maintain safe maneuverability. If the safe maneuvering airspeed in the T.O.
is listed as a range, fly the slowest speed practical in that range, based on
weight and configuration. This provision is primarily to accommodate
climbs/descents and terminal area operations.

NOTE: Airspeeds applicable to this exemption must be published in the aircraft
T.O. (Dash-1). A MAJCOM supplement or MDS specific Volume 3 does not constitute
the aircraft flight manual as referenced in the FAA exemption.

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unless the MAJCOM has approved a higher speed

What is MAJCOM, and what precludes them from blanket approval?

5.7.5.1.4. Within published IFR MTRs.
5.7.5.1.5. Within published VFR MTRs. (Exception. Aircraft will not exceed 250
KIAS on SR routes)

This is useful. It tells me why MTRs are published.

Jose
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In article ,
Jose wrote:

unless the MAJCOM has approved a higher speed

What is MAJCOM,

Major Command. The USAF organization that "owns" the aircraft.

and what precludes them from blanket approval?

Don't know off the top of my head. There is probably a relationship
between the MAJCOM and the Air Force Flight Safety Agenecy. But
I'd have to look through a whole bunch of Air Force Policy Directives
and Air Force Instruction (and probably PMDs), to figure it out.

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5.7.5.1.7. When the aircraft T.O. requires or recommends a higher speed in
order
to maintain safe maneuverability. If the safe maneuvering airspeed in the
T.O.
is listed as a range, fly the slowest speed practical in that range, based
on
weight and configuration. This provision is primarily to accommodate
climbs/descents and terminal area operations.

B-1 climb out, 300-360kias transition to Mach .81
B-1 descent, 300knts max below 10K MSL, Gear/Flap speed was 240, min
approach with no flaps normally about 210kias
BT

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In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

Only the military is exempt from operations at speeds in excess of 250
knots below 10,000'.

That's not true.

91.117 Aircraft speed.

[snip]

(d) If the minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater
than
the maximum speed prescribed in this section, the aircraft may be operated
at
that minimum speed.


And the USAF has its own rules which basically mirror the FAA requirements
on
civilian aircraft wrt airspeed limits. Not that it's an exception rather
than
an exemption.

SECRETARY OF THE AIR FORCE
AIR FORCE INSTRUCTION 11-202, VOLUME 3
16 FEBRUARY 2005
Flying Operations
GENERAL FLIGHT RULES

5.7. Aircraft Speed.
5.7.1. Supersonic Flight. The PIC will not allow the aircraft to operate
at or
above Mach l except as specified in AFI 13-201. Inadvertent flights above
Mach
will be handled IAW AFI 13-201.

5.7.2. In the NAS. The PIC will:

5.7.2.1. Not allow their aircraft to exceed 250 knots indicated airspeed
(KIAS)
below 10,000 ft. MSL unless the MAJCOM has approved a higher speed IAW
paragraph
5.7.5., FAA Speed Authorization.

5.7.2.2. Not allow their aircraft to exceed 200 KIAS at or below 2,500 ft.
AGL
within 4 NMs of the primary airport of a Class C or Class D airspace area
unless
authorized or required by ATC, or required to maintain the minimum safe
maneuvering airspeed specified in the aircraft T.O.

5.7.2.3. Not allow their aircraft to exceed 200 KIAS in the airspace
underlying
a Class B airspace area designated for an airport or in a VFR corridor
designated through Class B airspace area, unless required to maintain the
minimum safe maneuvering airspeed specified in the aircraft T.O.

[snip]

5.7.5. FAA Speed Authorization. The FAA recognizes that certain military
operations and training requirements cannot be met under the terms of the
FAR
91.117, Aircraft Speed, and has therefore granted a speed authorization.
The
authorization grants an exception to aircraft having flight
characteristics that
preclude safe operations at speeds below 250 KIAS by providing that if the
minimum safe airspeed for any particular operation is greater than the
maximum
speed prescribed, the aircraft may be operated at the minimum safe speed.

5.7.5.1. When the Authorization Applies. Air Force pilots may operate
their
aircraft below 10,000 ft. MSL, within US airspace, in excess of 250 KIAS
only
under the following conditions:

5.7.5.1.1. Within restricted areas.

5.7.5.1.2. Within Military Operating Areas (MOAs).

5.7.5.1.3. When operating within MAJCOM approved large-scale exercises or
short-term special missions.

5.7.5.1.4. Within published IFR MTRs.

5.7.5.1.5. Within published VFR MTRs. (Exception. Aircraft will not exceed
250
KIAS on SR routes)

5.7.5.1.6. Within defined areas or routes that have been coordinated and
concurred on by the proper MAJCOM and FAA regions, but have not yet been
published. This provision is intended to accommodate speed requirements on
an
interim basis until the area/route can be published.

5.7.5.1.7. When the aircraft T.O. requires or recommends a higher speed in
order
to maintain safe maneuverability. If the safe maneuvering airspeed in the
T.O.
is listed as a range, fly the slowest speed practical in that range, based
on
weight and configuration. This provision is primarily to accommodate
climbs/descents and terminal area operations.

NOTE: Airspeeds applicable to this exemption must be published in the
aircraft
T.O. (Dash-1). A MAJCOM supplement or MDS specific Volume 3 does not
constitute
the aircraft flight manual as referenced in the FAA exemption.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:28:09 -0500, Bob Noel
wrote in
:

That's not true.

Thanks for the research.

Perhaps you are able to provide some examples of non-military aircraft
that are exempt from the speed limit below 10,000'.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 11:16:10 GMT, Larry Dighera
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:28:09 -0500, Bob Noel
wrote in
:

That's not true.

Thanks for the research.

Perhaps you are able to provide some examples of non-military aircraft
that are exempt from the speed limit below 10,000'.

747, 777, etc at MGTW.

On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 06:59:19 -0500, Peter Clark
wrote in
:


Perhaps you are able to provide some examples of non-military aircraft
that are exempt from the speed limit below 10,000'.

747, 777, etc at MGTW.

What is the recommended speed for those aircraft on departure below
10,000'?

On Tue, 02 Jan 2007 18:28:09 -0500, Bob Noel
wrote in
:

Not[e] that it's an exception rather than an exemption.

Are you able to articulate how the distinction in semantics you note
above is significant?

Are you able to provide the link address to the military regulations
data you provided?

Are you aware of a Missed Approach Procedure being published for MTRs?

Thanks.

In article ,
Larry Dighera wrote:

Not[e] that it's an exception rather than an exemption.

Are you able to articulate how the distinction in semantics you note
above is significant?

"significant"? nah, but to me exceptions are more restrictive than
exemptions.


Are you able to provide the link address to the military regulations
data you provided?

Yes, but it won't do you any good. The DoD nows restricts access to
..mil websites unless you have a CAC card. I doubt you have one.


Are you aware of a Missed Approach Procedure being published for MTRs?

Nope.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
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On Wed, 03 Jan 2007 07:13:23 -0500, Bob Noel
wrote in
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Are you aware of a Missed Approach Procedure being published for MTRs?

Nope

I believe that lack of a MTR MAP may have been a factor in the
November 16, 2000 MAC in which a flight of two F-16s descended into
Class B & C airspace without the required ATC clearance. I find it
difficult to understand why a military instructor would consciously
decided to violate regulations. Perhaps there was no published
alternative?