IFR through Florida - airways?

On 1/5/2007 10:30:51 PM, "Kobra" wrote:

I flew to Miami from NJ and used V1 almost all the way to Jacksonville.

Thanks for your input. I'd imagine that would be a very scenic flight.

However, Jacksonville is in northeast Florida and my question really
pertained to flying IFR deeper into Florida. If you'll notice on the charts,
both north and south of Orlando you will see many restricted and prohibited
airspaces. The most direct route from Jacksonville to Miami is peppered with
light GA IFR-unfriendly airspace.


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Peter

"Peter R." wrote in message
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On 1/5/2007 10:30:51 PM, "Kobra" wrote:

I flew to Miami from NJ and used V1 almost all the way to Jacksonville.

Thanks for your input. I'd imagine that would be a very scenic flight.

However, Jacksonville is in northeast Florida and my question really
pertained to flying IFR deeper into Florida. If you'll notice on the
charts,
both north and south of Orlando you will see many restricted and
prohibited
airspaces. The most direct route from Jacksonville to Miami is peppered
with
light GA IFR-unfriendly airspace.


--
Peter

What are the floors and/or ceilings for said airspaces?

We've got our fair share of red/blue boxes out here in AZ but most don't
come low enough to be a hassle (I do *not* have the ability to fly above
12k...)

;O)

Jay B

Jay Beckman wrote:

What are the floors and/or ceilings for said airspaces?

Many of the Florida SUAs go all the way up to 17,999, so going over them is
not really an option for me either. It looks as if I will cross over the
center of the state and then weave towards the western-central portion, as
you can see in the other link I posted.

We've got our fair share of red/blue boxes out here in AZ but most don't
come low enough to be a hassle (I do *not* have the ability to fly above
12k...)

I remember those! Two years ago I flew to Palm Springs and recall having
to weave my way around all that special airspace out there.


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Peter

Peter R. wrote:

Jay Beckman wrote:



What are the floors and/or ceilings for said airspaces?



Many of the Florida SUAs go all the way up to 17,999, so going over them is
not really an option for me either. It looks as if I will cross over the
center of the state and then weave towards the western-central portion, as
you can see in the other link I posted.




If you fly on the weekends, most of the military SUA is not active.
If you fly M-F, expect to be vectored/routed around the military SUA.

When I flew to KPBI from Central Ohio last April, I flew from Albany GA
to Lakeland to West Palm, unrestricted at 7,000. That was on a Saturday.
When I departed, I had filed for the same routing. I was given an
amended clearance which had me fly directly west to Naples before
turning north. The military airspace was active. This was on a Thursday
afternoon.

I flew down to Fort Lauderdale from WI in September. I weaved through most
of the SUA by useing Cross City as my jumping off (into?) point. It worked
very well. I realize KCTY is on the west side of FL, but it may be an
option for you.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...231Z/KCTY/KFXE

Jim

Jim wrote:

I flew down to Fort Lauderdale from WI in September. I weaved through most
of the SUA by useing Cross City as my jumping off (into?) point. It worked
very well. I realize KCTY is on the west side of FL, but it may be an
option for you.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...231Z/KCTY/KFXE

Yep, that is what I am thinking as well. Your flight is similar to what I
am planning now:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3...7115437dc8.jpg

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Peter

Depending on your fuel range, you should check 100LL.com for best fuel
prices. It saved us a ton of $. Cross City offers $0.25 per gallon off
every Saturday morning 7am-1pm.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCTY/DIXIE_AV_SVCS

Jim

"Peter R." wrote in message
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Jim wrote:

I flew down to Fort Lauderdale from WI in September. I weaved through
most
of the SUA by useing Cross City as my jumping off (into?) point. It
worked
very well. I realize KCTY is on the west side of FL, but it may be an
option for you.
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N...231Z/KCTY/KFXE

Yep, that is what I am thinking as well. Your flight is similar to what I
am planning now:

http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3...7115437dc8.jpg

--
Peter

Jim Burns wrote:

Depending on your fuel range, you should check 100LL.com for best fuel
prices. It saved us a ton of $. Cross City offers $0.25 per gallon off
every Saturday morning 7am-1pm.
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KCTY/DIXIE_AV_SVCS

Thanks for that. I normally make it a point to check Airnav.com. I had
never heard of 100ll.com until you mentioned it. Do you find the
information there more timely and accurate than Airnav?

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Peter

I use both Airnav and 100LL.com. In the past I've found that 100LL is
usually more timely.
Jim

I fly Raleigh to south FL several times a year. My experience is to
always file and open an IFR plan independent of the weather. I'm direct
except for FL where most of the time you will be routed on the airways.
I choose a efficient altitude based on wind and TAS and whatever. Then
I enjoy the fact that I will be routed around busy SUA and separated
from much of the traffic.

Florida is usually convective and FL ATC, especially JAX center, will
give you the best avoidance service you've ever had. My 396 has reduced
my dependence and increased my capability, but they are still the best.

Flying IFR, especially in south FL, eliminates much of the airspace
avoidance work. But there's lots of vfr traffic even if you are busting
clouds so keep you head up. And if you are not familiar with the area,
be careful about IDing the airports. There are lots of them, they all
look alike to us northerners and I'm sure I'm the only person that has a
problem picking the right one at times.

Wish I was coming too.

Peter R. wrote:
Due to a business meeting, I will be flying from NY to Miami, Florida in a
few weeks.

In looking over the en route charts, I see a lot of MOAs, restricted, and
prohibited airspaces throughout Florida. Also, my destination is
Kendall-Tamiami (KTMB), which is just southwest of Miami International and
below their Class B.

It appears that the most likely option is to plan and file airways/VORs
through central and western Florida, with the idea of arriving into TMB
from the west and ask for direct as I am flying, rather than filing direct.

Could anyone with Florida IFR experience share your thoughts on IFR flight
through Florida? Thanks.