Frequency of convictions for lying on FAA medical form

Bill Denton writes:

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?

There are many inconsistencies in this domain. The rules seem to date
from the 1800s.

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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:47:54 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
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Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but someone
running around with an untreated problem can?


Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

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The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Mon, 22 Jan 2007 11:47:54 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

Since you brought up anti-depressants...

Am I the only one here who finds it ironic that you can't get a medical
if
you have your depression treated and control it with medication, but
someone
running around with an untreated problem can?


Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The
FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications
then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

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World Famous Flight Instructor

Bill Denton writes:

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...

Indeed. Two different things.

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:41:21 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...


Very well. You cannot obtain a medical if you suffer depression, whether you
are taking medication or not. It is bogus to claim, as the OP did, that you
can fly with depression as long as you are not taking any medication for it.

If you are untreated, you may not know that you suffer from depression.

If you are untreated, how would the FAA know that you suffered from it?



"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:41:21 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...


Very well. You cannot obtain a medical if you suffer depression, whether
you
are taking medication or not. It is bogus to claim, as the OP did, that
you
can fly with depression as long as you are not taking any medication for
it.

"C J Campbell" wrote in message
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:41:21 -0800, Bill Denton wrote
(in article ) :

The issue is not one of medical fitness.

The issue is that one cannot obtain a medical...


Very well. You cannot obtain a medical if you suffer depression,

Sure you can. As long asit hasn't been diagnosed...

Or, how about ADD? I know for a fact that you can get a medical (and a
license) even if you have ADD as long as it is undiagnosed and untreated.

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C J Campbell writes:

Very well. You cannot obtain a medical if you suffer depression, whether you
are taking medication or not.

But "suffering" in the context of a medical generally means
"diagnosed" or "undergoing treatment."

It is bogus to claim, as the OP did, that you can fly with depression
as long as you are not taking any medication for it.

Sure you can, as long as you have the medical, which is not the same
as having the disorder.

You can be prevented from flying by a past diagnosis of something you
no longer actually have. Conversely, you can fly with a condition as
long as you haven't been diagnosed with it and/or treated for it.

This is just one of the dangers of improper and excessive regulation
of physical fitness requirements.

The worst thing is that some pilots may be tempted to leave medical
conditions untreated just so that they can continue to fly. As long
as their condition is undiagnosed and untreated, they are fine from a
regulatory standpoint.

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C J Campbell writes:

Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

What if failing your medical and losing the ability to fly causes you
to lapse into depression?

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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:33:38 -0800, Mxsmanic wrote
(in article ):

C J Campbell writes:

Nonsense. You are not allowed to fly if you suffer from depression. The FAA
takes the position that if your depression is bad enough to require
medication then it is bad enough to keep you from flying. But if your
depression is that bad and you fly anyway without taking any medications
then
the FAA would still consider you medically unfit.

What if failing your medical and losing the ability to fly causes you
to lapse into depression?



The FAA does not care, obviously, if it causes depression. It is, in fact,
their job goal. Their motto is "We're not happy until you're not happy."

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World Famous Flight Instructor