An Open Apology to R.A.P.

On Feb 13, 8:37 pm, Buck Murdock wrote:
Let's put it in terms you're closer to: I've never run a hotel, but I
watched a lot of Newhart and Fawlty Towers years ago, and I played
SimCity, too. I'm going to have a discussion with you--a professional
hotel manager--about running a hotel. In that discussion, I'm going to
argue with you about EVERY SINGLE THING YOU SAY, because what you say
isn't how they did it on Newhart, and my other research backs me up.

Okay, so you're saying that someone without direct experience should
not constantly argue a topic ? Let's run with that hypothesis:

Those of us with lots of experience being moderators of large groups,
have said many times, that it's the whiners who are being most
disruptive and who would be censored first. So unless they have
experience with moderating a group with thousands of members, they
should stop and shut up, right?

Oh yeah, we could only wish ;-)

Cheers, Kev

On Feb 13, 5:05 pm, "Jay Honeck" wrote:
Hell, anyone with any social interaction will
find annoying characters in face-to-face encounters. At least in real life
they have to go home (unless the person annoying you is the bartender or
barber - then you go home or find a new place to socialize).

Maybe that's why I don't find MX so bothersome -- I deal with every
possible aspect of humanity, from the poorest of the poor, to the
wealthiest of the rich, every single day. I did it for years in
newspapers, and I've done it for almost five years in the hotel.



I have to agree with Jay. As a university professor, I too face lots
of questions from all types of people. I try to live by 'there are no
stupid questions, only stupid answers'. Most of the questions which at
first seem trivial or stupid are often due to a lack of our own
understanding.

Most of the posts that involve mxsmanic goes something like this. He
might ask "what makes an airplane turn?". Someone answers: "when you
bank the airplane, the horizontal force makes the airplane turn'. Then
he responds with 'but a horizontal force can't make an airplane turn,
it only makes it fly sideways". This annoys the other pilots. "Why do
you ask trivial questions and then argue with the answer?" And so it
goes.

On 14 Feb 2007 15:53:19 -0800, "Andrew Sarangan"
wrote:


. . .As a university professor, I too face lots
of questions from all types of people. I try to live by 'there are no
stupid questions, only stupid answers'. Most of the questions which at
first seem trivial or stupid are often due to a lack of our own
understanding.

Well, besides:

"Will you be grading us on the curve?"
and
"Do we need to know this for the final?"
which probably do not arise from your own lack of understanding. . . .

There's:
"So what are you going to do about it, biker scum?"
"Would you mind if I slept with other women?"
"I shouldn't have been speeding, should I?"
"Who's gonna know?"
"Why can't we all just get along?"

Don

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
oups.com...
I hope groups like GNAA and other troll organizations never catch wind
of this place. Trolling you people is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Mxsmaniac isn't even explicitly trolling, for christ sake. He's just
trying to discuss.

Bull****.

You know, you guys really need to lighten up. Remember when Skylune
was flying off in every direction, hot and heavy? People were beside
themselves trying to shut him down, and keep him quiet.

I took another tack, and engaged with him. We talked politics, he
opened up and started talking about his days when he took flight
lessons. He turned out to be an okay guy, just ****ed off at some
doofus who kept over-flying his house. He's now a regular here, and
often contributes valuable input to this group.

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation. He's
coming 'round to see that -- when posting on a pilot's group -- he has
to explicitly state that he's talking about sim experience. And he
has iniated some very interesting threads -- which is more than I can
say about a lot of the folks who are trash-talking him.

Diplomacy is the art of the possible. I suggest we all try it.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


Hi Jay,

I respectfully disagree. He isn't trying to discuss aviation. He asks a
seemingly reasonable question, gets an honest answer from someone who has
been there, and done it, and then flat out states that he knows the answer
is wrong. No discussion. No evidence to support his position. No reasons why
he feels everyone with experience is "lying" to him.

The pitch vs. power controls airspeed is a good example. He led off with
a pre-solo student question, and when someone gave him a very reasonable and
slightly simplified answer, he jumped right back with "what if I'm behind
the power curve?". Well, if he knows what a power curve is, and how you get
behind it, he knows enough that the first question made no sense. The
original question was no more than an opening serve. It was bait.

No need to "Lighten up", because "Frankly scarlet I don't give a damn".
He may grow up to be a reasonable person, most teenagers do. But in the
meantime they are a PITA, and again I am speaking from experience.
Diplomacy is based on some form of mutual respect, and he has demonstrated
no respect for the professionals who have attempted to offer him free dual
and the benefit of REAL experience. I am a CFI and have been "Teaching pigs
to sing" longer than he has been alive. He wouldn't know a pearl of wisdom
if he choked on it. No big rip, I plunked him a long time ago, but I still
carry my big red "Bull****" stamp.

On the other hand, I have really enjoyed your contribution to this
group. There are a number of people that get sorted to the top of my "must
read" list. I used to live in Reno, and your account of your trip to the air
races was priceless. I could see the terrain between Winnemucca and Elko
while I was reading your story. You seem to have the talent to draw a
picture with words. If I ever get East of the Rockies, I'll stop by.

Al G

Al G writes:

The pitch vs. power controls airspeed is a good example. He led off with
a pre-solo student question, and when someone gave him a very reasonable and
slightly simplified answer, he jumped right back with "what if I'm behind
the power curve?".

http://groups.google.com/groups/sear...&qt_s=Sea rch

Only one USENET post by him contains "power curve," and it occurs only in a
backquote of something said by someone else. None of his posts to any
rec.aviation.* group contains "behind the power curve."

Well, if he knows what a power curve is, and how you get
behind it, he knows enough that the first question made no sense.

He knows what Google is, and how it can be used to show that someone is making
false assertions.

He knows that if a person carelessly or deliberately makes one or more
demonstrably false assertions, any other assertions he makes must be regarded
with extreme caution.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Mxsmanic wrote:

Only one USENET post by him ...

He knows what Google is...

He knows that ...

Speaking of yourself in the third person. Another sign of insanity.

On Feb 13, 2:34 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

Only one USENET post by him ...
He knows what Google is...
He knows that ...

Speaking of yourself in the third person. Another sign of insanity.

Being obsessed with attacking someone, is probably not a good sign
either.

Kev

On Feb 13, 2:34 pm, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrDOTgiaconaATsuddenlink.net
wrote:
Mxsmanic wrote:

Only one USENET post by him ...
He knows what Google is...
He knows that ...

Speaking of yourself in the third person. Another sign of insanity.

He probably thought he was posting as one of his other identities
("Matt" I believe is a popular one). He has sat there posting back
and forth to himself when he couldn't get others to take his bait.

Mike

In article ,
"Al G" wrote:

I respectfully disagree. He isn't trying to discuss aviation. He asks a
seemingly reasonable question, gets an honest answer from someone who has
been there, and done it, and then flat out states that he knows the answer
is wrong. No discussion. No evidence to support his position. No reasons why
he feels everyone with experience is "lying" to him.

Since I have his original posts kill filed and I generally kill a thread
if his header preceeds a response, I have stopped following Anthony's
topics. I think Al has provided the best arguement for the trolling
arguement. It would be an interesting study to post Mx's initial
question and his successive responses to a given thread to show he is
indeed trolling.

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message

MX isn't a bad sort, and he *is* trying to discuss aviation.

I also disagree.

I found a way to eliminate him along with any threads he pollutes from my
newsreader. Every so often I change from 'hide ignored messages' to 'show
all messages', just to see if anyone is actually posting.

There's not much troll-free traffic here anymore. It's too bad.

The interesting part is that you are the sole example that I can think of
who could be hurt financially from the death of this group. You've managed
to promote your business along with contributing to this group. I have no
idea how much business is generated through usenet (I suspect not much), but
I doubt you'll get any in 2008 if things continue as they have.

When you post your Pre-Oshkosh schedule, please do so in a new thread, so my
filter won't ignore it. If you post in a thread he's touched, I'll never see
it.