That "no-GUMP" Scratching Sound

On 2/22/2007 7:35:36 AM, Ron Natalie wrote:

Pilot mistake... if you read the forums attached to that page you'll
see that they were doing multiple landings with the gear down and
after the previous one the pilot retracted the gear (force of habit
he says) and forgot to put it back.

Ahh.. thanks for the added info. I didn't even see the forum attached there
during the first pass.

--
Peter

I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

I cannot tell - Was this a pilot mistake or a gear failure?

Pilot mistake... if you read the forums attached to that page you'll
see that they were doing multiple landings with the gear down and
after the previous one the pilot retracted the gear (force of habit
he says) and forgot to put it back.

BTW, the Ground Proximity Warning systems used on transport aircraft, even
25 years ago, were a little more informative to the pilot. Instead of just
a horn or siren, the audible annunciator said "undercarriage" from about
2500 feet agl until a much lower altitude--then it said "UNDERCARRIAGE!"

The warning horn is really just an interruption--in the hope that a pilot
will notice it and investigate.

My reason for mentioning this is that the technology to substitute an
audible annunciator has become extremely light, reliable, and cheap over the
past quarter century. A more informative type of alarm would be very
usefull for those of us who occassionally suffer from "sometimer's
desease"--which I suspect is most of us, if not all.

IMHO, it is time for the FAA to "step up to the plate" in a constructive
way, and provide a blanket approval for an inexpensive conversion based on a
337 form. They should also try to make every IA aware of the availability,
so that the IA can offer it at the next annual.

Just my $.02

Peter

On Feb 20, 4:10 pm, "Marco Leon" wrote:
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...ne_RG_II-Airli...

Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!

Marco

It brings back memories when I had to the same. Many years ago my
nose gear refused to lock down. What I vividly remember is the sound
of the prop hitting the ground. It was like a whip striking, nothing
like metal against rock. Since my rear wheels were ok, I did not hear
the same fuselage grinding sounds as in the video. Thanks for posting
the link.

In a previous article, "Marco Leon" said:
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...ideo-7951.html

So what's the story? It's pretty obvious from the alarms going off and
the way the camera goes to the side window just before touch down that
they knew the gear wasn't down, but why?

--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
I use shell scripts at ork. Some cow-orkers refuse to touch them, their
excuse is usually "I don't understand perl". Their fear of perl is such
that all things unknown are also perl. -- Andrew Dalgleish

On Feb 20, 6:18 pm, (Paul Tomblin) wrote:

So what's the story? It's pretty obvious from the alarms going off and
the way the camera goes to the side window just before touch down that
they knew the gear wasn't down, but why?

I don't think it was a gear failure. As I responded to Peter's post,
the poster of the video seems to have been the cameraman as well. If
that's the case, the caption on the video page claims that it was
pilot error. The pilot pats the dash in a way I would if I screwed up
like that.

Then there's the short approach. If I had a known gear problem, I
would have probably been on a long final to ease the vertical load and
pick my spot carefully. I fly a fixed-gear so I'm not familiar with
proper technique.

Marco

Paul Tomblin wrote:
In a previous article, "Marco Leon" said:
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...ideo-7951.html

So what's the story? It's pretty obvious from the alarms going off and
the way the camera goes to the side window just before touch down that
they knew the gear wasn't down, but why?

No, I think the reason he turns out the side window because as the plane
starts to flare there's no view other than sky out the front for the guy
in the back seat so he turns towards the side window.

Marco Leon wrote:
Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!



I did. Cringe, that is....



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

"Marco Leon" wrote:
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...ideo-7951.html

Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!

Ick.

That's obscene.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Marco Leon" wrote in message
ps.com...
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...ideo-7951.html

Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!

Marco

I've heard that sound in person, at an airshow, no less.

SnF in 2002 a Mooney bellied in while we were watching arrivals. There was
a big x-wind that day and lots of pilots were having difficulty managing it.
My guess was that the pilot got all wrapped up in the Airshow arrival NOTAM
and in dealing with the x-wind and forgot his pre-landing checklist.

I was surprised at two things. First, it wasn't *that* loud. Second, the
airplane seemed to slide forever.

They came out with a crane, lifted the airplane, dropped the gear, and towed
the airplane to the campground. The pilot was a very good sport about it.
While the airplane was towed away, he rode on the wingwalk and waved at
everyone standing along the flightline.

I couldn't have done that...

KB

Marco Leon wrote:

I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...e_RG_II-Airlin
e_Private_Aviation_Video-7951.html

Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!

Marco

They landed a fair way down the runway didn't they? Considering they
apparently were expecting a no gear landing, shouldn't they have
touched down as close to the threshhold as possible to give maximum
stopping distance/
Mind you it does look like a rather long runway anyway.

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.