That "no-GUMP" Scratching Sound

The breaking action you get with a gear up landing is pretty good,
don't need too much runway. If they were really cool they chose their
touchdown point so that it was a short walk to their car.



On Feb 21, 5:04 am, "Oz Lander" wrote:
Marco Leon wrote:
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...e_RG_II-Airlin
e_Private_Aviation_Video-7951.html

Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!

Marco

They landed a fair way down the runway didn't they? Considering they
apparently were expecting a no gear landing, shouldn't they have
touched down as close to the threshhold as possible to give maximum
stopping distance/
Mind you it does look like a rather long runway anyway.

--
Oz Lander.
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong.

Does anyone know if the aircraft would have likely suffered
significantly less damage had they chosen to land on the grass instead
of on the runway?


On Feb 20, 4:10 pm, "Marco Leon" wrote:
I hope to never hear this first-hand. Of course I've increased the
odds in my favor quite a bit by flying a fixed-gear aircraft.

http://www.flightlevel350.com/Aircra...ne_RG_II-Airli...

Enjoy, err, I mean cringe!

Marco

"Tony" wrote in message
oups.com...
Does anyone know if the aircraft would have likely suffered
significantly less damage had they chosen to land on the grass instead
of on the runway?

The latest version of conventional wisdom is that you slide on concrete or
asphalt, but on grass you risk having an airframe part dig in and cause an
out of control situation (a flip over, perhaps).

The point that gets overlooked sometimes is that the first priority is to
walk away from the landing. If the airplane is relatively undamaged, that's
a bonus.

KB

The point that gets overlooked sometimes is that the first priority is to
walk away from the landing. If the airplane is relatively undamaged, that's
a bonus.

Good point. Since our recent fatality here in Iowa City, I've spoken
with many people about emergency procedures. The number one thing
they all say is that, at some point, you must GIVE UP ON THE PLANE.

Apparently it's a fairly common thing for pilots -- especially young,
very proficient ones -- to forget that the plane is secondary to
their survival. They keep trying to save the plane beyond the point
where it is too late to save themselves. (No, this is not what we
think happened here in Iowa City, but it's just one of the many
possibilities.)

From what the "gray heads" have told me, stopping the engine, bumping
the prop till it's horizontal, and landing on the grass, gear-up, all
fall into this category. Doing stuff that might save the paint, at
the risk of catapulting you end-over-end, or doing anything that takes
your attention away from flying the plane (in what is, after all, a
VERY unusual situation) can cause (for example) an inadvertent
stall.

If you're in an emergency, your immediate thought has to be "this
plane is now the insurance company's plane" -- and fly it
accordingly. When you're talking about airplanes -- things that many
of us invest with almost human-like qualities -- this may be the
hardest part of any emergency landing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" said:
[Saving the plane instead of saving themselves]
From what the "gray heads" have told me, stopping the engine, bumping
the prop till it's horizontal, and landing on the grass, gear-up, all
fall into this category. Doing stuff that might save the paint, at
the risk of catapulting you end-over-end, or doing anything that takes
your attention away from flying the plane (in what is, after all, a
VERY unusual situation) can cause (for example) an inadvertent
stall.

Add to that list "flying low over the runway while some idiot in a car or
truck attempts to pull your landing gear out while risking having the prop
turn them into hamburger". It seems like there's one of those about once
a year, and every time the guy is treated like some sort of hero instead
of an idiot willing to risk several lives to save an insurance claim.


--
Paul Tomblin http://blog.xcski.com/
If killing them all to a man is not an option then you are better off to
simply leave them to slowly self destruct under their own incompetance.
-- Dag

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

They keep trying to save the plane beyond the point
where it is too late to save themselves.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?e...19X00634&key=1

Tried to do the ol' 180 back to the runway, even though there are several
open fields around the airport.

http://tinyurl.com/26km5h

According an acquaintence of the pilot, the airplane was uninsured.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

Tried to do the ol' 180 back to the runway, even though there are several
open fields around the airport.

One really great thing about the Kiwi (see it he
http://alexisparkinn.com/flight_simulator.htm ) is that we've been
able to practice true "engine-out" emergencies.

As it turns out, these are quite different from the "engine-idle"
emergencies we all practice in "real life", and have proven to me that
trying to return to the airport at anything less than 600 AGL is dicey
indeed.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:
snip

If you're in an emergency, your immediate thought has to be "this
plane is now the insurance company's plane" -- and fly it
accordingly. When you're talking about airplanes -- things that many
of us invest with almost human-like qualities -- this may be the
hardest part of any emergency landing.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"


There was a article recently in one of the flying magazines that said
the same thing. You walk away and let the insurance company have the plane.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

Tony,

Does anyone know if the aircraft would have likely suffered
significantly less damage had they chosen to land on the grass instead
of on the runway?


Common (or maybe not so common) wisdom is to land on the runway if at
all possible. The grass has a high danger of the plane digging in.
Damage will be less on a hard surface.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)