Chicago: Any consequences of closing Meigs?

On Mar 5, 5:10 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 07:58:03 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in .com:

Music from downtown festivals in Grant Park is far more
intrusive, and sometimes runs for hours on end.

Typically, what time of day/night does this noise exist?

Festival noise usually starts about noon, runs to 10PM.

Motorcycles run all night. Somebody got arrested a couple of years
ago doing 160 on a Kawasaki.

On 5 Mar 2007 17:10:28 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in . com:

On Mar 5, 5:10 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 07:58:03 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in .com:

Music from downtown festivals in Grant Park is far more
intrusive, and sometimes runs for hours on end.

Typically, what time of day/night does this noise exist?

Festival noise usually starts about noon, runs to 10PM.

Motorcycles run all night.

Does that only occur the night an event is held?

Is there a lot of automobile noise otherwise?

Somebody got arrested a couple of years ago doing 160 on a Kawasaki.

How do you apprehend a Kawasaki at 160 mph? :-)

Is it easy to check if crime has increased since the Megs closure? Are
there spikes in police activity associated with events?

What is the event schedule like. I presume it is limited to the
warmer months of the year?

On Mar 5, 9:02 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 17:10:28 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in . com:

On Mar 5, 5:10 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 07:58:03 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in .com:

Music from downtown festivals in Grant Park is far more
intrusive, and sometimes runs for hours on end.

Typically, what time of day/night does this noise exist?

Festival noise usually starts about noon, runs to 10PM.

Motorcycles run all night.

Does that only occur the night an event is held?

Is there a lot of automobile noise otherwise?

Somebody got arrested a couple of years ago doing 160 on a Kawasaki.

How do you apprehend a Kawasaki at 160 mph? :-)

Is it easy to check if crime has increased since the Megs closure? Are
there spikes in police activity associated with events?

What is the event schedule like. I presume it is limited to the
warmer months of the year?

With regard to the Kawasaki, the police did not try to apprehend him
while he was doing 160. They waited for him to reach the end of
LakeShore Drive where there is a 90 degree turn and nailed him there.
He went to jail and they took away the bike. When he was interviewed
he said the rush was worth it! He did it at around 2am and the police
tried to block off entrances to the drive to keep what little traffic
there was out of his way until they could nab him.

On Mar 5, 9:02 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 17:10:28 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in . com:

On Mar 5, 5:10 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:
On 5 Mar 2007 07:58:03 -0800, "Paul kgyy" wrote
in .com:

Music from downtown festivals in Grant Park is far more
intrusive, and sometimes runs for hours on end.

Typically, what time of day/night does this noise exist?
[The worst is during Taste of Chicago, runs noon to 10 PM 7 days a
week for 2 weeks early July.

Festival noise usually starts about noon, runs to 10PM.

Motorcycles run all night.

Does that only occur the night an event is held? [yes, but there can be multiple events at the same time, with overlapping sound]

Is there a lot of automobile noise otherwise?
[Auto noise isn't a problem since trucks are banned from Lake Shore
Drive]

Somebody got arrested a couple of years ago doing 160 on a Kawasaki.

How do you apprehend a Kawasaki at 160 mph? :-) [see below]

Is it easy to check if crime has increased since the Megs closure? Are
there spikes in police activity associated with events?

What is the event schedule like. I presume it is limited to the
warmer months of the year?

In article ,
"Neil Gould" wrote:

Hi all,

Two airports in our area are under "attack" by groups that would rather
not have air traffic in their new developments built beside the existing
airport or the airport taking up space in the downtown lakefront area.
While I can see many reasons why this is short-term thinking that would
not serve the best interests of the region, I realize that as a GA pilot,
I am biased. A similar situation existed in Chicago at the time Meigs was
closed that might shed some light on the reality of our situation.

Where did the GA planes relocate, and has this had any impact on the
owners' access to or use of their planes?

Has there been any impact on the business travel to Chicago?

Is all of the traffic handled adequately by O'Hare and Midway?

Is there any record of positive or negative economic impact?


Neil

Where do you live?

When I was in California, the Division of Aeronautics conducted (at the
prodding of CA Pilots' Assn.) economic surveys of GA airports to
determine economic benefits. At that time (1980s) the average benefit
was around $100K per based airplane! Some airports (Palm Springs, for
instance) were much higher, while some very small airports were less.

The opponents (mostly developers and eco-Nazis) did not like to hear
this news, so they lobbied against further studies.

Recently, Orval Fairbairn posted:

"Neil Gould" wrote:
[...]
Is there any record of positive or negative economic impact?


Where do you live?

Cleveland, OH.

When I was in California, the Division of Aeronautics conducted (at
the prodding of CA Pilots' Assn.) economic surveys of GA airports to
determine economic benefits. At that time (1980s) the average benefit
was around $100K per based airplane! Some airports (Palm Springs, for
instance) were much higher, while some very small airports were less.

That's very interesting. I'd like to know the basis for those figures. Do
you know whether this study is available anywhere?

The opponents (mostly developers and eco-Nazis) did not like to hear
this news, so they lobbied against further studies.

Not surprisingly...

Neil

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:50:13 -0600, "Neil Gould"
wrote in
:


When I was in California, the Division of Aeronautics conducted (at
the prodding of CA Pilots' Assn.) economic surveys of GA airports to
determine economic benefits. At that time (1980s) the average benefit
was around $100K per based airplane! Some airports (Palm Springs, for
instance) were much higher, while some very small airports were less.

That's very interesting. I'd like to know the basis for those figures. Do
you know whether this study is available anywhere?

Perhaps an inquiry here might be fruitful:
http://www.calpilots.org/html/
http://www.calpilots.org/html/contact.php
CPA, P.O. Box 6868, San Carlos, CA 94070-6868
Phone: 1-800-319-5286

Recently, Larry Dighera posted:

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 13:50:13 -0600, "Neil Gould"
wrote in
:


When I was in California, the Division of Aeronautics conducted (at
the prodding of CA Pilots' Assn.) economic surveys of GA airports to
determine economic benefits. At that time (1980s) the average
benefit was around $100K per based airplane! Some airports (Palm
Springs, for instance) were much higher, while some very small
airports were less.

That's very interesting. I'd like to know the basis for those
figures. Do you know whether this study is available anywhere?

Perhaps an inquiry here might be fruitful:
http://www.calpilots.org/html/
http://www.calpilots.org/html/contact.php
CPA, P.O. Box 6868, San Carlos, CA 94070-6868
Phone: 1-800-319-5286

Thanks, Larry.

Neil

On Mar 5, 10:49 am, Orval Fairbairn wrote:


When I was in California, the Division of Aeronautics conducted (at the
prodding of CA Pilots' Assn.) economic surveys of GA airports to
determine economic benefits. At that time (1980s) the average benefit
was around $100K per based airplane! Some airports (Palm Springs, for
instance) were much higher, while some very small airports were less.

Did these "Researchers" also conclude that Catsup was a Vegetable for
bonzo reagan ??


The opponents (mostly developers and eco-Nazis) did not like to hear
this news, so they lobbied against further studies.

Two airports in our area are under "attack" by groups that would rather
not have air traffic in their new developments built beside the existing
airport or the airport taking up space in the downtown lakefront area.
While I can see many reasons why this is short-term thinking that would
not serve the best interests of the region, I realize that as a GA pilot,
I am biased. A similar situation existed in Chicago at the time Meigs was
closed that might shed some light on the reality of our situation.

Where did the GA planes relocate, and has this had any impact on the
owners' access to or use of their planes?

Has there been any impact on the business travel to Chicago?

Is all of the traffic handled adequately by O'Hare and Midway?

Is there any record of positive or negative economic impact?


Well, it is possible that some economic impact could be arranged...

I just heard that Chicago is one to the cities campaigning for the 2016
Olympic Games; and although I have not previously taken much interest in the
Olympics, I am willing to make an affordable contribution to the U.S.O.C.
provided that Chicago is *NOT* selected!

How about the rest of you?

Peer