Cirrus sued by Lidle's & Stanger's families

On Mar 6, 11:07 am, "Peter R." wrote:
On 3/5/2007 3:08:03 PM, "chris" wrote:

This is why the rest of the world thinks there is
something wrong with Americans!

Um, it's not Americans, but rather the American legal system about which you
are complaining. As an American, I can tell you that I am just as ****ed off
about these types of lawsuits as perhaps the majority of us are. These types
of lawsuits have really changed our society for the worse over the last
thirty years.

If it makes you feel any better about some of us here, back in 1985 I was
riding my motorcycle down a two-lane street when an automobile pulled out of
a driveway and crossed right in front of me left to right. I was unable to
avoid the car, hit the driver's side door and catapulted over the top of the
car. It was clearly the other driver's fault.

The insurance company covered my lost income while I recovered, my medical
expenses, and damage to my motorcycle. I let it go at that and didn't bother
suing them for large amounts of pain and suffering despite the fact that it
would have been an open-and-shut case.

--
Peter

I understand. It just seems that from what we see of the USA the
place seems to be filled with gung-ho rednecks who sue at the drop of
a hat.. Or that's how the media seems to portray it.. No offense to
those with normal coloured necks :-)

In NZ we have a system called ACC, or Accident Compensation, run by
the government. As I understand it if you go on ACC you are prevented
from suing.

So for us, the idea of suing someone is a completely alien concept.

chris wrote:
On Mar 6, 11:07 am, "Peter R." wrote:
On 3/5/2007 3:08:03 PM, "chris" wrote:

This is why the rest of the world thinks there is
something wrong with Americans!
Um, it's not Americans, but rather the American legal system about which you
are complaining. As an American, I can tell you that I am just as ****ed off
about these types of lawsuits as perhaps the majority of us are. These types
of lawsuits have really changed our society for the worse over the last
thirty years.

If it makes you feel any better about some of us here, back in 1985 I was
riding my motorcycle down a two-lane street when an automobile pulled out of
a driveway and crossed right in front of me left to right. I was unable to
avoid the car, hit the driver's side door and catapulted over the top of the
car. It was clearly the other driver's fault.

The insurance company covered my lost income while I recovered, my medical
expenses, and damage to my motorcycle. I let it go at that and didn't bother
suing them for large amounts of pain and suffering despite the fact that it
would have been an open-and-shut case.

--
Peter

I understand. It just seems that from what we see of the USA the
place seems to be filled with gung-ho rednecks who sue at the drop of
a hat.. Or that's how the media seems to portray it.. No offense to
those with normal coloured necks :-)

Actually, rednecks are about the least likely to sue. It is the rich,
urban folks that tend to sue. Rednecks have more direct ways to gain
compensation or extract revenge. :-)

Matt

On Mon, 5 Mar 2007 15:07:16 -0700, Peter R. wrote
(in article ) :

On 3/5/2007 3:08:03 PM, "chris" wrote:

This is why the rest of the world thinks there is
something wrong with Americans!

Um, it's not Americans, but rather the American legal system about which you
are complaining. As an American, I can tell you that I am just as ****ed off
about these types of lawsuits as perhaps the majority of us are. These types
of lawsuits have really changed our society for the worse over the last
thirty years.

If it makes you feel any better about some of us here, back in 1985 I was
riding my motorcycle down a two-lane street when an automobile pulled out of
a driveway and crossed right in front of me left to right. I was unable to
avoid the car, hit the driver's side door and catapulted over the top of the
car. It was clearly the other driver's fault.

The insurance company covered my lost income while I recovered, my medical
expenses, and damage to my motorcycle. I let it go at that and didn't bother
suing them for large amounts of pain and suffering despite the fact that it
would have been an open-and-shut case.




Same here. I was riding my bicycle (I used to do triathlon) and a car coming
the other way turned left in front of me and hit me head on. The driver was
uninsured (she already had 7 outstanding traffic tickets, and got two more
because of the accident), so my uninsured motorist policy ended up covering
my medical bills and my homeowners policy replaced the $3000 bicycle. They
told me I was entitled to compensation for pain and suffering. I just
thought, what -- how much would I charge to allow someone to hit me with
their car? It was ridiculous. So I let it go. But the fact is it compressed
my spine, took away my ability to run, swim or ride, and left me with
annoying pain for the rest of my life. Luckily, I am still able to fly.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

On 3/6/2007 12:36:08 AM, C J Campbell wrote:

So I let it go. But the fact is it compressed
my spine, took away my ability to run, swim or ride, and left me with
annoying pain for the rest of my life. Luckily, I am still able to fly.

That is really unfortunate. Sorry to read that, CJ.

--
Peter

On 5 Mar 2007 12:08:06 -0800, "chris"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 8:07 am, "BDS" wrote:
"Kingfish" wrote

I read this on AvWeb this morning - not only is Cirrus named in the
suit, but also Teledyne, Hartzel, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation (whoever they are). And this *before* the NTSB has determined
the cause. Unbelievable.

They left out the company that made the bricks that the building was
constructed of, the City of New York for allowing it to be put there when it
is an obvious hazard to aircraft, the FAA for extending the VFR corridor up
the river that far, etc.

Gee, the only person they left out was the guy who's fault it probably was -
what a shocker.

BDS

Bloody hell.. This is why the rest of the world thinks there is
something wrong with Americans! Anybody heard of personal
responsibility??

Are you kidding?

Over here if you get a speeding ticket it's the cop's fault for
following too close.
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

On Tue, 6 Mar 2007 00:02:22 -0800, Roger wrote
(in article ):

On 5 Mar 2007 12:08:06 -0800, "chris"
wrote:

On Mar 6, 8:07 am, "BDS" wrote:
"Kingfish" wrote

I read this on AvWeb this morning - not only is Cirrus named in the
suit, but also Teledyne, Hartzel, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation (whoever they are). And this *before* the NTSB has determined
the cause. Unbelievable.

They left out the company that made the bricks that the building was
constructed of, the City of New York for allowing it to be put there when
it
is an obvious hazard to aircraft, the FAA for extending the VFR corridor up
the river that far, etc.

Gee, the only person they left out was the guy who's fault it probably was
-
what a shocker.

BDS

Bloody hell.. This is why the rest of the world thinks there is
something wrong with Americans! Anybody heard of personal
responsibility??

Are you kidding?

Over here if you get a speeding ticket it's the cop's fault for
following too close.

I have a sister who got a speeding ticket thrown out of court by arguing
precisely that.

--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

"chris" wrote in message
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On Mar 6, 8:07 am, "BDS" wrote:
"Kingfish" wrote

I read this on AvWeb this morning - not only is Cirrus named in the
suit, but also Teledyne, Hartzel, S-Tec, Honeywell and Justice
Aviation (whoever they are). And this *before* the NTSB has determined
the cause. Unbelievable.

They left out the company that made the bricks that the building was
constructed of, the City of New York for allowing it to be put there when
it
is an obvious hazard to aircraft, the FAA for extending the VFR corridor
up
the river that far, etc.

Gee, the only person they left out was the guy who's fault it probably
was -
what a shocker.

BDS

Bloody hell.. This is why the rest of the world thinks there is
something wrong with Americans! Anybody heard of personal
responsibility??


Bloody Hell, this is why Americans think there is something wrong with
America!

What on earth could Hartzel do differently? No matter where this goes, they
have to defend themselves. No matter where that goes, the cost gets added to
the product. At what point does a lawsuit get labeled "Frivolous" We all get
to pay for this.

Al G

Kingfish wrote:
I've read about quite a few Cirrus
accidents on this forum and don't recall anything about a control
system failure(?)

There was the one when the pilot had to pop the chute because the aileron
was reattached properly after maintenance.

On 3/5/2007 2:24:08 PM, "Gig 601XL Builder" wrote:

Kingfish wrote:
I've read about quite a few Cirrus
accidents on this forum and don't recall anything about a control
system failure(?)

There was the one when the pilot had to pop the chute because the aileron
was reattached properly after maintenance.

Wasn't there also an issue related to the ailerons that surfaced back when
Cirrus was first testing their aircraft pre-certification? I recall reading
of this, but don't recall the details now.

--
Peter

Peter R. wrote:

Wasn't there also an issue related to the ailerons that surfaced back when
Cirrus was first testing their aircraft pre-certification? I recall reading
of this, but don't recall the details now.

I think you're talking about the Overmyer crash. That was a VK-30 not
the SR20/22. The elevator jammed.