Pilot Suicides

RomeoMike wrote in news:arr3c4-7ok1.ln1
@news.infowest.com:



Robert M. Gary wrote:


Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert


The Associated Press account I read stated that he had a PPL as of last
fall.

From Landings.com database section:

Name : JOHNSON, ERIC ROSS
Airman's Address : 617 I ST
BEDFORD, IN, 47421-2331
FAA Region : Great Lakes
Date of Medical : Nov, 2006
Class of Medical : 3
Expiration of Class 3 : Nov, 2008
Airman Certificates : Student Pilot

The database has been known to be several months behind, if he got his
medical in 11/06, perhaps pre-solo, it's possible (although IMHO not
likely) that he finished his requirements and passed his practical within 4
months...

RomeoMike wrote:


Robert M. Gary wrote:


Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert


The Associated Press account I read stated that he had a PPL as of last
fall.

AP probably wrong. The FAA Registry lists three people with names
similar to this guy in Indiana. One of the three was issued a student
certificate 11/06. This is probably the one. The other two don't fit.

RomeoMike wrote:


RomeoMike wrote:



Robert M. Gary wrote:


Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert


The Associated Press account I read stated that he had a PPL as of
last fall.


AP probably wrong. The FAA Registry lists three people with names
similar to this guy in Indiana. One of the three was issued a student
certificate 11/06. This is probably the one. The other two don't fit.


This happened at my home airport The guy only had 1 supervised solo

He was able to get the plane because he hid the girl and the FBO thought
he was waiting for the Instructor to show up for a lesson. Which he
did show up for a lesson but for another student he was already airborne

It has been customary for the student to get the keys and preflight the
plane before the Instructor shows up to save time

On Mar 7, 6:39 pm, Jim wrote:
RomeoMike wrote:

RomeoMike wrote:

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert

The Associated Press account I read stated that he had a PPL as of
last fall.

AP probably wrong. The FAA Registry lists three people with names
similar to this guy in Indiana. One of the three was issued a student
certificate 11/06. This is probably the one. The other two don't fit.

This happened at my home airport The guy only had 1 supervised solo

He was able to get the plane because he hid the girl and the FBO thought
he was waiting for the Instructor to show up for a lesson. Which he
did show up for a lesson but for another student he was already airborne

It has been customary for the student to get the keys and preflight the
plane before the Instructor shows up to save time- Hide quoted text -

Its almost a requirement. You want your student to take his time with
his preflight. I've had students spend 30 minute doing preflight. I
don't want/need to stand a guard every student for 30 minutes watching
him preflight before every flight.

-Robert

On Mar 7, 8:39 pm, Jim wrote:

This happened at my home airport The guy only had 1 supervised solo

He was able to get the plane because he hid the girl and the FBO thought
he was waiting for the Instructor to show up for a lesson. Which he
did show up for a lesson but for another student he was already airborne

It has been customary for the student to get the keys and preflight the
plane before the Instructor shows up to save time

Again, I point my finger at the FBOs practices. Customary? Ok. Good
idea? No.

"Save Time" sometimes equals "Costs Lives."

Aviation is an inherently dangerous undertaking. Time spent doing it
right will save lives. This means EVERYONE. The FBO owner, the FBO
dispatcher, the CFI, the renter, the lineman, the
mechanic...everyone.

In my opinion the FBO should NEVER dispatch keys to anyone other than
the PIC. If the student is flying dual with his CFI or flying solo,
then the Student may be given the keys but only when a CFI is
confirmed to be present and supervising.

For what it's worth, the AP did report that Eric Johnson got his
pilot's license the day his divorce became final, last October.

On Mar 7, 3:39 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:
On Mar 7, 9:20 am, C J Campbell

wrote:
Student pilot Eric Johnson kills himself and his eight-year-old daughter by
slamming a plane into his former mother-in-law's house. The Indiana Star
notes that as a student pilot he was not allowed to carry passengers...
Apparently he practiced a few touch and goes before killing himself.

This seems to be getting to be a regular deal. Embry-Riddle instructors
killing themselves on the runway, other divorced pilots deliberately crashing
into houses, people jumping out of airplanes on final and landing on power
lines so that their severed torsos splat a few feet away from small children.

Ah yes. Suicide is such a beautiful, noble thing, according to some people.
This is a trend I would really like to see stop.

Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert

Opps -- don't trust the AP. Another report says

Johnson was not licensed to have passengers on board the plane unless
accompanied by an instructor, according to the Federal Aviation
Administration. The FAA's online records show Johnson had a student
pilot certificate as of Nov. 14, 2006

y" wrote:
For what it's worth, the AP did report that Eric Johnson got his
pilot's license the day his divorce became final, last October.

On Mar 7, 3:39 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:



On Mar 7, 9:20 am, C J Campbell

wrote:
Student pilot Eric Johnson kills himself and his eight-year-old daughter by
slamming a plane into his former mother-in-law's house. The Indiana Star
notes that as a student pilot he was not allowed to carry passengers...
Apparently he practiced a few touch and goes before killing himself.

This seems to be getting to be a regular deal. Embry-Riddle instructors
killing themselves on the runway, other divorced pilots deliberately crashing
into houses, people jumping out of airplanes on final and landing on power
lines so that their severed torsos splat a few feet away from small children.

Ah yes. Suicide is such a beautiful, noble thing, according to some people.
This is a trend I would really like to see stop.

Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

-Robert- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

On Mar 7, 3:46 pm, "Tony" wrote:
For what it's worth, the AP did report that Eric Johnson got his
pilot's license the day his divorce became final, last October.

Could have been "student pilots 'license'" though.

-Robert

Tony wrote:
For what it's worth, the AP did report that Eric Johnson got his
pilot's license the day his divorce became final, last October.

two good news the same day, and the guy is still depressed?

--Sylvain

"Robert M. Gary" wrote in
ups.com:

Surprising that the FBO rented the plane to a student pilot with his
daughter.

Perhaps the daughter was not with him when he got the keys from the FBO
counter.