Glider computers - what's important?

On Mar 8, 12:45 pm, "Richard" wrote:
Mike,

I reread my post but and never saw the word worthless. But now I
will go to my corner and look up the word sufferance.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com

On Mar 8, 11:26 am, "Mike" wrote:



First of all I did not bring up how great free programs were- you
brought up how worthless they are-if you care to check your post. I
mentioned however that XCSOAR is a good program -which it is.

Come on Richard, tell us point by point how superior See You is over
XCSOAR . Prove your point to us-that it is a worthless program-you
know....as you say that it is worth what you pay for it.

Mike

On Mar 8, 11:58 am, "Richard" wrote:

Mike,

First of all you brought up the issue of how great the free programs
are - compared to what? WinPilot and SeeYou simulators are free,
both can be downloaded from my website for evaluation, you only need
the passwords to have a hassel free connection to your GPS.

My biased opinion is the SeeYou and WinPilot are as easy or easier to
use than the free programs, they will be supported in the future, they
allow the new pilot all the features from just flying around the
patch, to badges, records and contest.
The real question is if you own a sailplane how much did you pay for
it and is the cost of one of these programs significant? If it is, I
would suggest a chart with mileage and altutude circles is more cost
effective, I believe you are still required to carry a chart.

I also provide support to those that are considering purchasing
WinPilot or SeeYou from Craggy Aero.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com

On Mar 8, 10:12 am, "Mike" wrote:

Why not do the comparison for us Richard? It is your question after
all. I would like to hear your unbiased report.

Mike

On Mar 8, 10:25 am, "Richard" wrote:

The question is have you compared the free programs with SeeYou or
WinPilot. We would all like to hear your comparison.

Richardwww.craggyaero.com

On Mar 8, 9:16 am, "Mike" wrote:

XCSOAR is a very good program that is easy to use. It takes about one
evening to understand using the "Quick Start" guide in the manual.

Mike

On Mar 8, 9:31 am, "Michael Huber" wrote:

"Richard" wrote

6. Free is a very good price, but generally you get what you pay for,
if anyone finds this not true please let us all know so we all can all
get this free stuff. The best free thing I have found is the SeeYou
Connect Me program.

? GPS-LOG and XCSOAR are free, I´ve never tried XCSOAR, but
GPS-LOG is a great

software.

Good idea Richard, and while you are at it, try contemplating the
meaning of your own words.

A lot of time and talent from some very dedicated, large hearted guys
went in to these very functional and free programs. To claim they are
worth zero -what we paid for them(worthless) seems an insult. When you
find the meaning of sufferance, apply it to the guys giving us these
programs, when their hard work is refered to as having no worth.

Let us see your unbiased comparison of XCSOAR and See You.

Mike


Richard,

Good idea! When you find the meaning apply it to the large hearted,
talented guys who have spent so much time providing great support for
soaring with no view for profit, to have their efforts refered to as
having no worth-you know, worth what we paid for it . You may want to
contemplate the meaning of your own words too.

I really would like to see your unbiased comparison of XCSOAR and See
You.

Mike

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Mike wrote:
Why not do the comparison for us Richard? It is your question after
all. I would like to hear your unbiased report.

It's asking too much of a dealer to give unbiased reports on products he
does not sell, and even it the dealer managed to achieve it, many would
still just assume his monetary interest took priority. So, the dealer
spends a lot of time for very little return.

In fact, it is just plain difficult to write an unbiased report on these
products, even if you aren't selling them. These programs have many
features, most of them in common but with variations, and the value and
appeal of each feature/variation depends a lot on the pilot's
personality, where he flies, what he flies, and how he flies.

It gets worse: a really experienced pilot comparing these products will
write quite a different review than one with moderate experience.

And worse: after a pilot flies with a particular product for year or so,
he'll often find he uses it differently than when he started. Try to
account for that in a review!

So, download the programs and try them in simulator mode. I like the
suggestion to "fly" with it on flight simulator like Condor. And keep in
mind they all do the basics, which it is 80-90% of what most of us need
done.

--
Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA
* Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly
* "Transponders in Sailplanes" http://tinyurl.com/y739x4
* "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane Operation" at www.motorglider.org

I initially used GPS-Log. GPS-Log does have a PC simulator. It gave me
some insight into the value of a flight computer.

I subsequently switched to SeeYou Mobile for ease in loading my PDA with
maps, airspace, waypoints, etc. I may not have fully understood GPS-Log,
but I was doing a lot of handcrafting of files. Also, I think SeeYou Mobile
screens are more customizable. I keep changing mine as I haven't yet
settled on what I like best.

On the support side, Henryk Birecki (software developer) was always very
responsive to emails I sent. He is active in the Yahoo Group for GPS_Log.

Finally, my choice of SeeYou Mobile over Pocket Strepla or WinPilot was
based on the fact that I had previously purchased and learned to use SeeYou.
I'm very happy with SeeYou and I believe my life would be less complicated
if I used the PDA version of the product in the air.

John