Scouts have bumpy landing

Bertie the Bunyip writes:

Mostly it's because they outnumber commercial aircraft by a huge margin,
fjukkwit.

Unfortunately, no, it's not that.

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On Mar 19, 10:18 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
The airport manager is no more qualified to determine the state of maintenance
of the gear than I am.

Lets see...he's an aviation professional, running the local airport
where the aircraft was based. He'd know the aircraft owner, and all
the A&P's at the field. As airport manager, I guarantee he's spoken
to all of the parties involved, probably had a look at the plane and
the maintenance records, and he may very well have been a witness to
the landing.

You were 6000 miles away from the incident, you haven't left your
apartment since, your only knowledge of the landing was what you read
in the links posted above, you have no aviation background, and you've
never been in a light plane or seen a maintenance log.

He's more qualified to determine the state of maintenance.

Gary writes:

Lets see...he's an aviation professional, running the local airport
where the aircraft was based. He'd know the aircraft owner, and all
the A&P's at the field. As airport manager, I guarantee he's spoken
to all of the parties involved, probably had a look at the plane and
the maintenance records, and he may very well have been a witness to
the landing.

More importantly, you agree with him.

You were 6000 miles away from the incident, you haven't left your
apartment since, your only knowledge of the landing was what you read
in the links posted above, you have no aviation background, and you've
never been in a light plane or seen a maintenance log.

More importantly, you disagree with me.

He's more qualified to determine the state of maintenance.

More importantly, you assume that anyone who agrees with you is more
qualified.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
M. Fricker writes:

No, the airport manager didn't say that.

The airport manager is no more qualified to determine the state of
maintenance of the gear than I am.

My dog is more qualified to determine the state of maintenance of the gear
than you are. She has actually seen on one close.

We all have to keep in mind that mxsmanic is an unfortunate individual who
suffers from a personality disorder. His underlying psychiatric problem
precludes any type of rational discourse, so it is pointless to even try.

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
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M. Fricker writes:

No, the airport manager didn't say that.

The airport manager is no more qualified to determine the state of
maintenance
of the gear than I am.


He might be an A&P by trade, either way he actually does see real airplanes
on a day to day basis, dumbass.


In any case it really doesn't matter to the people reading this does it.

It might. GA aircraft suffer far more incidents and accidents than
commercial
airliners. One reason is less rigorous maintenance. It's important to
make
it clear that much of the additional risk of flying in GA aircraft is
avoidable, and very often GA accidents are avoidable instances of simple
carelessness (or recklessness) on the part of flight crews or aircraft
owners.


Says the man who just has to press reset.

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"Darkwing" theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com writes:

He might be an A&P by trade, either way he actually does see real airplanes
on a day to day basis, dumbass.

He might just be an office worker, who never sees real airplanes at all except
occasionally outside the window or on TV.

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On Mar 19, 8:32 am, "Fred Goodwin, CMA" wrote:
Scouts have bumpy landing

http://www.mysanantonio.com/salife/family/stories/
MYSA031807.10B.Flying_scouts.3614c98.htmlhttp://tinyurl.com/2ron93

Web Posted: 03/18/2007 01:39 AM CDT

Chuck McCollough
Express-News

Three Boy Scouts and their pilot walked away from a hard landing at
Hondo Municipal Airport on Saturday after part of the plane's landing
gear failed to lock in place, witnesses said.
"I'm glad to be down safe. I was really scared after I saw part of the
wheel fall off," said 12-year-old Eric Riegel.

He and fellow scouts Nathaniel Mayberry, 13, and Kirby Vandervort, 10,
all of Houston, were flying with pilot Thomas Skiles to earn their
aviation merit badges.

Dozens of other Scouts were present when the airplane started its
landing approach and it became apparent something was wrong, said
Nathaniel Mayberry's father, Luther Mayberry.

"My son and the other boys were on one of the last round of flights,
and we were on the tarmac watching the plane coming in when I sensed
something was not well, something was out of place," the father said.
"The wheels did not come down all the way and the pilot circled at
least once.

"As he came in for the belly landing, the emergency vehicles raced
toward the airplane, and I did, too."

Luther Mayberry, as he put it, "ran faster than I ever have before" as
his son, the other Scouts and the pilot quickly escaped the plane.

There was no fire.

Seconds before the plane came down, Riegel said, the pilot told his
passengers he would land on the grass next to the runway.

"Then there was a hard thump when we hit, and we got out fast. It was
about five minutes between the time we knew the landing gear wasn't
working and when we got down. It was really scary," the boy said.

Airport manager Timothy Fousee said a lever that locks the landing
gear in place malfunctioned. He said the Federal Aviation
Administration is reviewing the incident.

Flying Boy Scouts is an awesome thing to do, very rewarding. There is
more paperwork involved, but its not too bad. Many pilots back away
when they see the BSA insurance requirement to issue you the flight
permit but EAA will cover the insurance difference (with some
additional paperwork). Its really not that bad, I would encourage
everyone to fly scouts. The paperwork you will carry will usually
be...
1) Trip permit (usually handled by an ASM, you don't have to worry
about this)
2) Flight permit (you fill out a small form, indicate the amount of
time you have, etc, and submit it to be signed by your local Council,
returned with stamp)
3) BSA parent release (have parents sign the release, usually the
Troop will ensure this will be done the week before)
4) EAA release (can be filled out anytime before the flight).

There are some restrictions (VFR, day, no landings other than
departure point, limited distance (if you are less than 500 hrs)). You
are waved from the "2 deep leadership" rule when in flight which would
normally require two adults at all times. I believe the BSA insurance
(with EAA) gives you an effective $10Million smooth policy for the
flight. You cover all costs though.
I would also encourage pilots to register with local BSA as an
"Aviation Merit Badge Counciler". This will allow you to sign the
boy's "blue card" for each item required of the merit badge. The Troop
will provide you the manual for the Merit Badge, its all very straight
forward for pilots. It usually only costs you $10/yr to be registered
but its often waved. The $10/yr also provides you with general (non
flight) liability insurance of about $10million (in case a boy falls
down in your house/hanger, etc).

-Robert, CFII, ASM

On Mar 19, 12:22 pm, "Robert M. Gary" wrote:

I would also encourage pilots to register with local BSA as an
"Aviation Merit Badge Counciler". This will allow you to sign the
boy's "blue card" for each item required of the merit badge. The
Troop will provide you the manual for the Merit Badge, its all very
straight forward for pilots. It usually only costs you $10/yr to be
registered but its often waved. The $10/yr also provides you with
general (non flight) liability insurance of about $10million (in
case a boy falls down in your house/hanger, etc).

Thanx for that reminder.

Actually, to be a merit badge counselor, there is no fee required. If
you register for any other volunteer position (e.g., Scoutmaster or
unit commissioner), it does indeed cost $10, then you can add MBC or
additional volunteer positions for free.

But if you register *only* as a MBC, there is no charge.

"Fred Goodwin, CMA" wrote

Thanx for that reminder.

Actually, to be a merit badge counselor, there is no fee required. If
you register for any other volunteer position (e.g., Scoutmaster or
unit commissioner), it does indeed cost $10, then you can add MBC or
additional volunteer positions for free.

But if you register *only* as a MBC, there is no charge.
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As long as we are on the subject of becoming active in Boy Scouts, I should
mention the Explorer program, specifically, the Aviation Explorer program.
The Explorers are groups involved in about every career path that could be
taken in life. Examples are paramedic, police, nursing, engineering, and
the list goes on.

Explorers are a "division" of Boy Scouts, and more specifically, "Learning
for Life." Not to lose sight of the ball though, as the organizational
specifics are not important.

Aviation Explorers can be a pivotal way to increase our youth's interest in
aviation. In our post, we have had several youth take aviation as a career
path, when that was not the likely way they were headed.

It is not all that hard to get a new post started. The activities can be
broad, and varied, and not necessarily all aviation. We have gone to at
least two air shows per year (not counting the big one (OSH)) gone skiing,
rafting, to scuba certifying classes, directed parking and aircraft at our
area air show, helped with our local EAA fly-ins, and the list goes on.

I'll bet a good many people do not realize where all of the man (and boy
g) power comes from, to push and park all of the airplanes in the
homebuilt showplane area at OSH every year. It is all Explorers, and other
adult EAA advisors. They also man the ropes at the taxiways in area 51, do
crowd control and plane protection (from the few ignorant people watching
the daily airshow) People over 18 that have been to OSH two times as an
Explorer are eligible to be trained to flag aircraft on some of the active
taxiway intersections off of 18/36, serving one year as apprentice, then on
their own the next year. Shifts are 2 or three hours per day, with
opportunities to work double shifts, if desired.

The Aviation Explorers have a base on the airport grounds, down next to the
North airplane camping area, next to the Civil Air Patrol base camp. There
are usually a few more than 100 boys and girls, and 20 or 30 adult advisors.
Units come from Cleveland, Kansas, Missouri, Texas, North Carolina, and some
other far away places that I can't remember right now.

I can't emphasize how good of an experience Aviation Explorers can be for
you, and for our youth. For those people who really want to make a
difference in keeping G.A. alive, and even growing, IMHO, there is NO better
way to make it happen.

Seriously, think of getting some buddies together and start a post. It is
not hard, and very rewarding. I can point you to a person who is far more
qualified than me, to give you the specifics of how to make this all happen.

Contact me via back channels to get the contact person's name, at:


Make the two obvious BIG changes in my addy.

For other general questions, feel free to contact me, or better yet, post
them here, in newsgroup land.
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