Us and Them

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
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Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.


That ATC was an inherently governmental function was established during the
Roosevelt administration.

Franklin, not Teddy.

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Larry Dighera wrote:

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

when?

iirc, it was the Clinton administration that was pushing user fees circa 1996

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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ...
: On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:06:21 GMT, kontiki
: wrote in :
:
: He is but a small part of the problem, ...
:
: No. Not really.
:
: Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
: function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
: fees.
:
: Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
: privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
: in Congress.
:
:

Yea, I remember that also...

Now, gotta find the references...

On Apr 1, 11:52 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Sat, 31 Mar 2007 22:06:21 GMT, kontiki
wrote in :

He is but a small part of the problem, ...

No. Not really.

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
in Congress.

Hysterically funny. Now you're claiming that the Democrats are the
flag carriers for the lower taxes movement. HAHAHAHAHA! Oh, wait. You
did post that on April 1, didn't you.

A Democratic administration won't be any different. I remember Al
Gore used to be a proponent for user fee as well.

But you're right. We have no one to blame but ourselves, because we
don't fly enough hours, and we don't attract enough new GA pilots to
join our ranks.

The best thing for us to do, other than lobbying the congress, is to
start flying at least 150 hours a year. How's that for a change.


On Mar 31, 2:30 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:


Well, we have no one to blame but ourselves for voting the Bush regime
into office for two terms.

M writes:

But you're right. We have no one to blame but ourselves, because we
don't fly enough hours, and we don't attract enough new GA pilots to
join our ranks.

When the price of becoming a GA pilot is so high, and existing pilots just say
"find a way!" when someone points this out, instead of working to lower the
barriers, it's not surprising that so few new pilots are attracted.

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Mxsmanic wrote:
When the price of becoming a GA pilot is so high, and existing pilots just say
"find a way!" when someone points this out, instead of working to lower the
barriers, it's not surprising that so few new pilots are attracted.


In case you haven't noticed, the price of *everything is going up...
oil, food, owning a home, medical care you name it. If its something
you really want you do whatever it takes to make it happen.

Of course it would be a lot easier of government would get its
FAT ASS out of the way and let people accomplish their goals
without constant interference or stealing of their hard earned
money (so they can buy votes with it to get getting re-elected).

"Mxsmanic" wrote in message
news
M writes:

But you're right. We have no one to blame but ourselves, because we
don't fly enough hours, and we don't attract enough new GA pilots to
join our ranks.

When the price of becoming a GA pilot is so high, and existing pilots just
say
"find a way!" when someone points this out, instead of working to lower
the
barriers, it's not surprising that so few new pilots are attracted.

--
Transpose mxsmanic and gmail to reach me by e-mail.

Too high? When are you going to get it? It's not that hard to find a way to
fly on the cheep.

How about $15.00 per hour to rent an aircraft. $5.00 for a winch launch (or
$12.50 for an aerotow) and instructors cost $0.00 per hour (yes $0.00 as in
free - no charge.). How is that too high? It costs more than that go hang
out in a bar.

Oh, OK, there are some hidden fees. $350 to join the club, $22 per month
dues, $64 per year for SSA dues. Still cheeper than hanging out at the bar.
Figure a hundred or two on books and other instructional material.

If you can't afford that, you can't afford to eat.

http://www.sandhillsoaring.org/ssc-welcome.htm

Oh, and gliders often have computers to play with too.

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M wrote:

A Democratic administration won't be any different. I remember Al
Gore used to be a proponent for user fee as well.

But you're right. We have no one to blame but ourselves, because we
don't fly enough hours, and we don't attract enough new GA pilots to
join our ranks.

The best thing for us to do, other than lobbying the congress, is to
start flying at least 150 hours a year. How's that for a change.

Damn, I like the way you think...


On Mar 31, 2:30 pm, Larry Dighera wrote:


Well, we have no one to blame but ourselves for voting the Bush regime
into office for two terms.

On 31 Mar 2007 15:07:38 -0700, "M" wrote in
. com:

A Democratic administration won't be any different.

Clinton established the fact that ATC was an inherently governmental
function, thus blocking privatization efforts and their requisite user
fees.

Bush overturned Clinton's edict to pave the way toward ATC
privatization. Now he has Blakey carrying the ATC privatization ball
in Congress.