A tower-induced go-round

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
I'm pretty sure all of those incidents involved pilots. How many of them
involved controllers?

None, as it's very hard to achieve best rate in a control tower.

How many of them are caused by ATC?

I can't say, the statistics don't get more granular than that.


What is your source for these statistics?

The NTSB 2002 Accident Statistics report, available on their website.

TheSmokingGnu

"TheSmokingGnu" wrote in message
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None, as it's very hard to achieve best rate in a control tower.


So pilots experience ten mid-airs, two NMACs, and six ground collisions
each year without any controller involvement. Good point, well taken.



I can't say, the statistics don't get more granular than that.


What point were you trying to make?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
So pilots experience ten mid-airs, two NMACs, and six ground collisions
each year without any controller involvement. Good point, well taken.

No, no, no. With and without controllers available. If your
prognostication that the Godly controllers save all we pitiful pilots
from slamming into each other, then there should be a comiserate
increase in the number of such events. That it is so low is a testament
of how little controller involvement A): exists, and B): is necessary to
safe separation of traffic.

What point were you trying to make?

That communication and/or ATC causes at least as many accidents as there
are mid-airs and NMACs. If it's included as a header title, there is at
least one directly-attributable accident to ATC, which soundly disproves
that said Godly controllers are A): infallible, as you seem to think
them, and B): that they always give proper instruction in a situation,
disproving your absolutes.

TheSmokingGnu

We don't need dumb ass controllers at all. One of the reasons we need
competent controllers, such as the one that may very well have saved Jay's
life at JEF, is because we have dumb ass pilots.

Bwahahahahahahah!

Er, ahem. Sorry. Happy April Fools Day.

Right, Steven. ATC saved us...

Have you always had delusions of grandeur?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

"Jay Honeck" wrote in message
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Bwahahahahahahah!

Er, ahem. Sorry. Happy April Fools Day.

Right, Steven. ATC saved us...

Have you always had delusions of grandeur?


I said he MAY very well have saved your lives by issuing the go around.
Recall that you were contemplating landing over the Skyhawk.