Question to Mxmanic

Jim Stewart writes:

*Every* pilot (at least in the US) learns steep turns
in the context of the FAA's practical test standard.
That's a steep turn while holding your altitude +/- 100
feet.

If you meet your wake, you're descending.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

Jim Stewart writes:


*Every* pilot (at least in the US) learns steep turns
in the context of the FAA's practical test standard.
That's a steep turn while holding your altitude +/- 100
feet.


If you meet your wake, you're descending.


My post had nothing to do with descending.
It had to do with why you're treated like
a fool on aviation forums. You should address
that issue rather than getting fixated on
steep turns and descending....

On Apr 16, 1:39 pm, Mxsmanic wrote:
Jim Stewart writes:
*Every* pilot (at least in the US) learns steep turns
in the context of the FAA's practical test standard.
That's a steep turn while holding your altitude +/- 100
feet.

If you meet your wake, you're descending.

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I have sent the following question to an aerospace engineer at the
Rand corporation for his response...I'll keep you posted:
There is a thread on one of the aviation usenet groups that got me to
thinking...
In training, it it routinely common for a pilot to practice steeps
turns, and when you reach the roll out of a 360 degree turn with a
bank angle of 45-60 degrees, you will feel a hard bump, which most
instructors say is due to going through your own wake. One of the
commentators is arguing that this can't happen due to the fact that
wake turbulence descends. But it is a clearly easily demonstrated
effect. Is it our own wake? Or are we creating a vertical vortex
with the maneuver of a steep turn? (rather than the wake of wingtip
vortices). Is the data on wake turbulence behavior applicable to a
shrply turning aircraft?

Not always.

mike

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Jim Stewart writes:

*Every* pilot (at least in the US) learns steep turns
in the context of the FAA's practical test standard.
That's a steep turn while holding your altitude +/- 100
feet.

If you meet your wake, you're descending.

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Mxsmanic wrote in
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Jim Stewart writes:

*Every* pilot (at least in the US) learns steep turns
in the context of the FAA's practical test standard.
That's a steep turn while holding your altitude +/- 100
feet.

If you meet your wake, you're descending.


Not neccesarily, moron.


You're an idiot.

Bertie

Not if properly done.

mike

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JB writes:

You are such an idiot! Probably every GA pilot-in-training with a
C152/172 or something similar has experienced hitting their own wake
when performing their first steep turn with an instructor.

Steep turns tend to be descending turns.

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Mxsmanic wrote:

JB writes:


You are such an idiot! Probably every GA pilot-in-training with a
C152/172 or something similar has experienced hitting their own wake
when performing their first steep turn with an instructor.


Steep turns tend to be descending turns.


See, this is one of those posts. That's why you practice. A steep turn
is not supposed to be a descending turn.

I don't know why. It seems that the argument that you're not supposed
to hit your own wake seems to be pretty valid. You can also bring
evidence that supports the theory that the sky is not blue, but there it
is, blue as hell.

And maintaining you altitude above the ground via altimeter...

mike

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Then you must be descending through the rising column of air.

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On Apr 16, 10:45 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Kev writes:
On a warm clear day (which is when I've hit my own
wake), I betcha that the wake is being held upward a tiny bit by the
heat from the ground.

Then you must be descending through the rising column of air.

Not necessarily. Visualize that I begin my turn over a field where
the air is rising slightly. The rest of my turn is over another area
(lake perhaps) where the air is static. I am not descending through
the rising column yet I manage to hit my own wake because it was held
in place.

Kev

Kev writes:

Not necessarily. Visualize that I begin my turn over a field where
the air is rising slightly. The rest of my turn is over another area
(lake perhaps) where the air is static. I am not descending through
the rising column yet I manage to hit my own wake because it was held
in place.

Since these would be very unusual circumstances, they cannot substantiate the
claim that pilots routinely meet their own wakes in 360-degree turns.

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