Airline passengers subsidizing private aviation

"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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(Mxsmanic) wrote in
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Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

Do the fees paid by the commercial airlines completely cover the
costs of building and operating airports and the air traffic
control system?

If not, then passengers are also subsidizing commercial aviation.

For the most part, that is called fares.

How do fares cover the cost of building and operating the airports
and air traffic control system other than through fees that are
included in those fares?

Significants parts of the fares go to expenses like landing fees and leases.

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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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"Bert Hyman" wrote in message
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(Mxsmanic) wrote in
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Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

Do the fees paid by the commercial airlines completely cover the
costs of building and operating airports and the air traffic
control system?

If not, then passengers are also subsidizing commercial
aviation.

For the most part, that is called fares.

How do fares cover the cost of building and operating the airports
and air traffic control system other than through fees that are
included in those fares?

Significants parts of the fares go to expenses like landing fees
and leases.

And do those "significant parts" cover the cost of building and
operating the airports and air traffic control system?

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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |

So, do the fees collected by the commercial airlines through their
fares and then paid to various agencies completely cover the costs of
building and operating airports and the air traffic control system?

Nope..

denny

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So, do the fees collected by the commercial airlines through their
fares and then paid to various agencies completely cover the costs of
building and operating airports and the air traffic control system?

Nope..

They don't even cover the costs of running the airlines - that's why they
are all in Chapter 11.

On Apr 17, 10:04 am, Denny wrote:
So, do the fees collected by the commercial airlines through their
fares and then paid to various agencies completely cover the costs of
building and operating airports and the air traffic control system?

Nope..

denny

Nor should they have to.
They are part of a transportation system, just like roads and
highways.
Roads and highways get subsidized; the people using them may not pay
for them, and people who don't drive may pay quite a bit for them.
We build roads and interchanges to allow traffic to get to businesses
big enough to warrant them (Bass Pro got megamillions from San Antonio
and some city in PHX area; subsidized fishing anyone?)
Since roads get built with sales taxes, property taxes, and other
taxes in addition to gas taxes, it is obvious that transportation
systems all get subsidized. Transportation systems are enablers of
other businesses and such.

On Apr 17, 8:06 am, Bert Hyman wrote:
(Mxsmanic) wrote :

Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

Do the fees paid by the commercial airlines completely cover the
costs of building and operating airports and the air traffic control
system?

If not, then passengers are also subsidizing commercial aviation.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |

Not to mention the extra fire hydrants required along streets of the
crash zones for those private communities.. you know who you are...JG

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On Apr 17, 8:06 am, Bert Hyman wrote:
(Mxsmanic) wrote
:

Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

Do the fees paid by the commercial airlines completely cover the
costs of building and operating airports and the air traffic control
system?

If not, then passengers are also subsidizing commercial aviation.

--
Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |

Not to mention the extra fire hydrants required along streets of the
crash zones for those private communities.. you know who you are...JG

We all know who *YOU* a an ignoranus!

There is no such thing as a "crash zone," nor are there any extra fire
hydrants in communities adjacent to small airports.

Go back and take a long walk off a short pier!

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Bert Hyman wrote:

(Mxsmanic) wrote in
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Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

Do the fees paid by the commercial airlines completely cover the
costs of building and operating airports and the air traffic control
system?

If not, then passengers are also subsidizing commercial aviation.

The only fees that commercial airlines pay a

1. Landing fees (merged into ticket costs).

2. Gate rentals (again merged into ticket costs).

3. Fuel taxes only on non-revenue flights (ferrying, repositioning,
training)

They pay no fees for use of the ATC system (It comes from direct ticket
taxes)

The bottom line: Airlines are really non-players in the debate and are
pimping user fees as a means of inhibiting competition from high-end GA.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:
In article ,
Bert Hyman wrote:

(Mxsmanic) wrote in
:

Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

Do the fees paid by the commercial airlines completely cover the
costs of building and operating airports and the air traffic control
system?

If not, then passengers are also subsidizing commercial aviation.

The only fees that commercial airlines pay a

1. Landing fees (merged into ticket costs).

2. Gate rentals (again merged into ticket costs).

3. Fuel taxes only on non-revenue flights (ferrying, repositioning,
training)

They pay no fees for use of the ATC system (It comes from direct
ticket taxes)

The bottom line: Airlines are really non-players in the debate and are
pimping user fees as a means of inhibiting competition from high-end
GA.

Oh they are a player alright. They not only what to inhibit competition they
want to shift the cost.

On Apr 17, 11:37 am, Mxsmanic wrote:
Apologies if someone else has already posted this:

http://us.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/04/16/....ap/index.html

Somebody really hates GA.

When I read the article it didn't sound at all like someone who hates
General Aviation. It sounded like a standard CNN attack on business.
("globe trotting corporate executive")

I wasn't sure if I was reading CNN or the Worker's World Daily. No
that there is that much difference any more.