interesting moment yesterday on final

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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How?


Accident analysis advances safety.

We already know how to prevent that scenario.

So let them ask.

Asking questions on the CTAF is not a good idea. Neither is looking at
a chart or an approach plate when I am flying the
pattern. As a VFR pilot, I know nothing about the sort of approach the
aircraft in question is flying - nor do I care. All I
want to know is where is he and when will he arrive.. Since anybody
flying IFR no doubt has a GPS that will provide
an instant distance and ETE readout, it seems to me that an
announcement like the following would be understandable to
everyone: "Cessna 1234 IFR inbound for landing runway 1 XYZ 5 miles
out ETE 2 minutes" would fill the bill. With that
info I know where to look and when to expect him. It would also be
nice to know if this inbound pilot is really landing or
intends to declare a missed approach (which folks who practice IFR
approaches in VFR condtitions usually do).

Comments?

David Johnson

"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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We already know how to prevent that scenario.


How?

Steven P. McNicoll wrote:
"Matt Whiting" wrote in message
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We already know how to prevent that scenario.


How?



Fly a proper rectangular pattern and not a 10 mile long final.

On Sat, 26 May 2007 15:33:27 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

If T-boning occurs does it not mean the traffic flying from base to final
failed to yield the right-of-way to the traffic on final?

No, in this case the writer is saying that the traffic on final
T-boned the the plane turning final from base.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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"Mike 'Flyin'8'" wrote in message
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I do not think ANYONE is saying that aircraft flying the proper full
pattern have right of way.


No one in this thread is saying it explicitly, but they're certainly
implying it.



Rather, they are saying it is more
appropriate is most circumstances, and in almost all cases, safer for
everyone involved.


I've heard many say that, I've yet to hear anyone make a supporting case.





Aircraft flying a full pattern do have the right of way.

Reporting points should be done in miles at uncontrolled airports.

Unless a practice IFR approaches can be made without interruption of pattern
traffic, they should divert to upwind leg upon encountering traffic.

Everyone should consider aircraft may be correctly operating without radio
communications.

Left traffic should be observed unless markings at the airport, on sectional
charts or airport directories specify otherwise.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...h light=90-66

http://www.aopa.org/asf/publications/sa08.pdf

http://www.aopa.org/asf/asfarticles/sp9704.html

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Do typical VFR pilots fly without charts?


Typical VFR pilots often fly without radios.

Hmmm, so only full patterns are sanctioned and only to the runway
favored by the wind...
So how do I do crosswind TOL.. actually a significant % of my TOL are
crosswind - deliberately
And overhead power off emergency approaches...
And single engine approaches under the hood...
And circling approaches under the hood...
And so on...

All these maneuvers are legal and appropriate training procedures....
I already know what I do which has worked for me for over a half
century I just wanna know what the experts do...

denny

"Denny" wrote in message
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Hmmm, so only full patterns are sanctioned and only to the runway
favored by the wind...
So how do I do crosswind TOL.. actually a significant % of my TOL are
crosswind - deliberately
And overhead power off emergency approaches...
And single engine approaches under the hood...
And circling approaches under the hood...
And so on...

All these maneuvers are legal and appropriate training procedures....
I already know what I do which has worked for me for over a half
century I just wanna know what the experts do...

denny


I don't know, I'm just posting the info Steven was looking for and how it
reads to me. I actually found this by accident while doing an unrelated
Goggle search.

The way I read it you can still do most any kind of approach as long as you
don't disrupt normal traffic in the pattern. But the way I read it, with
regards to right of way, traffic using the rectangular pattern listed in the
AIM is said to be favored.

On 29 May 2007 04:52:23 -0700, Denny wrote:

All these maneuvers are legal and appropriate training procedures....

Sure they are. And so is making a right turn after stop at a red light
in most places --- but remember that the other guy has the right of
way!