Gasohol

"Peter Dohm" writes:


Given the issue with alcohol, and the fact it is injected at the
last stage - truck loading -- why aren't the STA owners such as EAA
running campaigns to set up procedures for FBO's to procure untainted
autogas?

I really doubt that the terminal operators are so ignorant as to make that a
problem.

Ha!


OTOH, there are some real problems for the FBO to overcome. One FBO owner,
who I know, stopped selling gasolene several years ago--saying that he
sometimes suspected that he lost more to evaporation than he pumped.


That's a "selling autogas" problem;
vice "finding un-Ethenol'ed autogas to sell" one.

Agreed the first may be an issue..

BUT if you have a gaggle of STA'ed aircraft owners based there and
you but not evry EatHerAndGetGas sells what they want and need....




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"David Lesher" wrote in message ...
"Peter Dohm" writes:


Given the issue with alcohol, and the fact it is injected at the
last stage - truck loading -- why aren't the STA owners such as EAA
running campaigns to set up procedures for FBO's to procure untainted
autogas?

I really doubt that the terminal operators are so ignorant as to make that a
problem.

Ha!


OTOH, there are some real problems for the FBO to overcome. One FBO owner,
who I know, stopped selling gasolene several years ago--saying that he
sometimes suspected that he lost more to evaporation than he pumped.


That's a "selling autogas" problem;
vice "finding un-Ethenol'ed autogas to sell" one.

Agreed the first may be an issue..

BUT if you have a gaggle of STA'ed aircraft owners based there and
you but not evry EatHerAndGetGas sells what they want and need....




If this special clean gas w/o alcohol is brought to the airport and kept there, doesn't it pretty much miss the point of
the autogas STC? The whole idea was to be able to use normal autogas in these old low compression engines.

In article ,
"Blueskies" wrote:

If this special clean gas w/o alcohol is brought to the airport and kept
there, doesn't it pretty much miss the point of
the autogas STC? The whole idea was to be able to use normal autogas in these
old low compression engines.

I thought one objective was to avoid using the 100LL in engines that were prune
to lead fouling.

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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 11:46:29 GMT, "Blueskies"
wrote:


"David Lesher" wrote in message ...
"Peter Dohm" writes:


Given the issue with alcohol, and the fact it is injected at the
last stage - truck loading -- why aren't the STA owners such as EAA
running campaigns to set up procedures for FBO's to procure untainted
autogas?

I really doubt that the terminal operators are so ignorant as to make that a
problem.

Ha!


OTOH, there are some real problems for the FBO to overcome. One FBO owner,
who I know, stopped selling gasolene several years ago--saying that he
sometimes suspected that he lost more to evaporation than he pumped.


That's a "selling autogas" problem;
vice "finding un-Ethenol'ed autogas to sell" one.

Agreed the first may be an issue..

BUT if you have a gaggle of STA'ed aircraft owners based there and
you but not evry EatHerAndGetGas sells what they want and need....




If this special clean gas w/o alcohol is brought to the airport and kept there, doesn't it pretty much miss the point of
the autogas STC? The whole idea was to be able to use normal autogas in these old low compression engines.


No, the point was to be able to use gasoline with less lead than the
currently available 100LL AvGas whick gives many older engines
"morning sickness" due to lead deposits making valves sluggish.


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Well, lemmee give ya a very simple example of cahoots...

First picture the double bottom fuel tanker... He goes to the terminal
and loads premium gas for Chevron in the front tanker and premium gas
for Shell in the back tanker... The computer adds the dyes,
carcinogenic additives, and alcohol, and off he goes... Each company
runs advertising on how its premium is better than anyone elses
premium because of the companies expertise and care in every step of
the production process - and how they search the world for the best
crude - and oh yes, they are GREEN to boot...

Your gas actually comes from the same generic tank fed off a generic
pipeline from a generic refinery, that every branded and unbranded
gas station in the area buys from, each putting their own name on
it...
The FTC is happy with this...
The Atty General of the Hew Hess of Hey is happy with this...
The states Atty General's are happy with this...

Now picture Chivas Regal and Jack Daniels - and it comes to light
Woodward and Bernstein strike again that they are not actually
fermenting and distilling their own booze but are buying white
lightning from an industrial alcohol distillery in Trinidad and
Tobaggo same one that supplies it for gasohol and shipping it here
in converted petroleum tankers, whereupon they each runit through
charcoal, add coloring and flavoring, and each bottle it under their
own label...
The FTC and the combined Atty Generals will be good with that?
No way, mon! There will be executives in hand cuffs testifying in
front of Congress...
But if it is big oil? - well golly gee it's just a business decision
wink, wink, nudge...

denny - who is old enough to see the wool over his eyes

"Denny" wrote in message ps.com...
Well, lemmee give ya a very simple example of cahoots...

First picture the double bottom fuel tanker... He goes to the terminal
and loads premium gas for Chevron in the front tanker and premium gas
for Shell in the back tanker... The computer adds the dyes,
carcinogenic additives, and alcohol, and off he goes... Each company
runs advertising on how its premium is better than anyone elses
premium because of the companies expertise and care in every step of
the production process - and how they search the world for the best
crude - and oh yes, they are GREEN to boot...

Your gas actually comes from the same generic tank fed off a generic
pipeline from a generic refinery, that every branded and unbranded
gas station in the area buys from, each putting their own name on
it...
The FTC is happy with this...
The Atty General of the Hew Hess of Hey is happy with this...
The states Atty General's are happy with this...

Now picture Chivas Regal and Jack Daniels - and it comes to light
Woodward and Bernstein strike again that they are not actually
fermenting and distilling their own booze but are buying white
lightning from an industrial alcohol distillery in Trinidad and
Tobaggo same one that supplies it for gasohol and shipping it here
in converted petroleum tankers, whereupon they each runit through
charcoal, add coloring and flavoring, and each bottle it under their
own label...
The FTC and the combined Atty Generals will be good with that?
No way, mon! There will be executives in hand cuffs testifying in
front of Congress...
But if it is big oil? - well golly gee it's just a business decision
wink, wink, nudge...

denny - who is old enough to see the wool over his eyes


Hit my thought right on the head! This crap is absolutely amazing. Hard to believe that there is any way this stuff is
called 'gasoline.' Interesting what definitions pop up when you do a web search for 'gasoline definition'. I see the
hydrocarbon bit by most, but there are now 'states' changing the definition to include the gasohol definition also...

sheeze.....

Hit my thought right on the head! This crap is absolutely amazing. Hard to
believe that there is any way this stuff is
called 'gasoline.' Interesting what definitions pop up when you do a web
search for 'gasoline definition'. I see the
hydrocarbon bit by most, but there are now 'states' changing the
definition to include the gasohol definition also...

sheeze.....


The really interesting thing is that "we" keep electing those guys...

On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 04:43:05 -0700, Denny wrote:

denny - who is old enough to see the wool over his eyes\\

Denny, you won't see much with the wool over your eyes. For example,
you evidently don't see the difference between gasoline (in economic
terms, a commodity) and whiskey (a franchise).

Do you drink much gasoline in the course of a week?

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