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One more thing I would like to point out on the corn- food-ethanol debate is
that making ethanol uses only the starch in corn. The protein is still there and is used as a high quality feed, called dried distillers grains or DDG. It is mostly feed to cattle. The most effecient ethanol plants have a feed lot next to them and the solids are feed wet to the cattle saving the energy usually used to dry the stuff. The cattle manure is used as a source of methane for energy to run the ethanol plant. It still requires additional energy, but every savings helps. There are other byproducts of the process to, but my point is a lot of the corn still is used as food. The main study the media likes to quote to discredit ethanol was done about 20 years ago and is hopelessly out of date. "william" wrote in message news:Ezrgi.2194$s%.324@trnddc02... One point to consider when you complain about the price of corn is, $2.00 corn cannot be produced without taxpayer funded price supports, This morning we could contract corn for December 07' delivery at $3.38 and you can cut about 30 cents off that for various quality discounts. A farmer is not getting rich on $3 corn with the much higher input cost we have had in the past few years. Actually he still needs good weather and careful managment to make anything. Bottom line, corn is still going to cost the consumer either at the store or in taxes. Second point, it was never planned to replace gasoline, just one of many alternate energy sources and none of them are cheap. The days of cheap energy are gone and anything that uses energy is going to cost more in the future including food. I'm afraid food prices are just starting to go up and will continue so. "cavelamb himself" wrote in message k.net... I am remimded of a quote that said, "when otherwise intelligent people do stupid stuff, there is usually politics involved". So not only do we pay more for less power in out auto fuel... http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...nd-for-ethanol |
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![]() "william" wrote in message news:fbzgi.11573$xy.11256@trnddc06... One more thing I would like to point out on the corn- food-ethanol debate is that making ethanol uses only the starch in corn. The protein is still there and is used as a high quality feed, called dried distillers grains or DDG. It is mostly feed to cattle. The most effecient ethanol plants have a feed lot next to them and the solids are feed wet to the cattle saving the energy usually used to dry the stuff. The cattle manure is used as a source of methane for energy to run the ethanol plant. It still requires additional energy, but every savings helps. There are other byproducts of the process to, but my point is a lot of the corn still is used as food. The main study the media likes to quote to discredit ethanol was done about 20 years ago and is hopelessly out of date. It is hopeless alright... |
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![]() It is hopeless alright... Not to worry! The coming market correction will render large segments of the population incapable of buying gasohol... That alone will reduce our energy imbalance there is always a silver lining... denny |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:56:04 -0700, Denny wrote:
It is hopeless alright... Not to worry! The coming market correction will render large segments of the population incapable of buying gasohol... That alone will reduce our energy imbalance there is always a silver lining... Man, you're about as pessimistic as my doctor! :-)) You must be related. denny |
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On Jun 29, 12:16 am, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:56:04 -0700, Denny wrote: It is hopeless alright... Not to worry! The coming market correction will render large segments of the population incapable of buying gasohol... That alone will reduce our energy imbalance there is always a silver lining... Man, you're about as pessimistic as my doctor! :-)) You must be related. denny- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you notice that the Clintons bailed out of the market, converting some $25M into cash and CD's? They are lawyers so just pay attention to what they are doing not what they are saying if their lips are movin', etc., ... Being the ultimate insiders, they know something the peons don't.. I made my decision... Yeah, I may miss a good year for the market - the year before an election traditionally being prime the pump time by the congress - but then again, I may look like a genius a year from now... We shall see... |
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Denny wrote:
On Jun 29, 12:16 am, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:56:04 -0700, Denny wrote: It is hopeless alright... Not to worry! The coming market correction will render large segments of the population incapable of buying gasohol... That alone will reduce our energy imbalance there is always a silver lining... Man, you're about as pessimistic as my doctor! :-)) You must be related. denny- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you notice that the Clintons bailed out of the market, converting some $25M into cash and CD's? They are lawyers so just pay attention to what they are doing not what they are saying if their lips are movin', etc., ... Being the ultimate insiders, they know something the peons don't.. I made my decision... Yeah, I may miss a good year for the market - the year before an election traditionally being prime the pump time by the congress - but then again, I may look like a genius a year from now... We shall see... Oh boy - here we go... |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:32:10 -0700, Denny wrote:
On Jun 29, 12:16 am, "Roger (K8RI)" wrote: On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 04:56:04 -0700, Denny wrote: It is hopeless alright... Not to worry! The coming market correction will render large segments of the population incapable of buying gasohol... That alone will reduce our energy imbalance there is always a silver lining... Man, you're about as pessimistic as my doctor! :-)) You must be related. denny- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Did you notice that the Clintons bailed out of the market, converting some $25M into cash and CD's? They are lawyers so just pay attention to what they are doing not what they are saying if their lips are movin', etc., ... Being the ultimate insiders, they know something the peons don't.. I made my decision... Yeah, I may miss a good year for the market - the year before an election traditionally being prime the pump time by the congress - but then again, I may look like a genius a year from now... We shall see... We are overdue, but things are not badly over priced and an election year is coming up. Based on that I'd hang in there for another 6 months and re-evaluate, but I was wrong once in my younger days:-)) |
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