Hidden costs of ethenol

RST Engineering wrote:

Not only that, but you get Black's Beach at no additional cost.

Jim


Big Grin

You got that right, Jim!

"RST Engineering" wrote in message ...
Not only that, but you get Black's Beach at no additional cost.

Jim

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How could I forget about that?

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
k.net...
william wrote:
snip
I'm afraid food prices are just starting to go up and
will continue so.


That really is the point I was reaching for.
Not just complaining about corn.

And as oil prices continue to rise we are going to be faced with some
difficult times and hard choices (like DRIVING to Osh?).

I mean, it's not just gasoline that is increasing, but everything that
is made from it, made with it, or transported.

And THAT includes just about everything.

So I'm really curious...
What comes next?


Richard

As you pointed out: Just about everything.

IIRC, after the previous big increases in crude oil prices, we had several
years of high inflation in just about everything that wasn't already way up.
In my area, housing prices are already way up, so it's possible that houses
will be relatively flat while everything else, including rent, catches up
with fuel and real estate. Dunno, just a guess.

Of course, it takes until the end of current contracts for a lot of things
to happen so it will all take a while, as it always has...

Peter :-(

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007 16:22:58 GMT, cavelamb himself
wrote:

william wrote:
snip
I'm afraid food prices are just starting to go up and
will continue so.


That really is the point I was reaching for.
Not just complaining about corn.

And as oil prices continue to rise we are going to be faced with some
difficult times and hard choices (like DRIVING to Osh?).

I mean, it's not just gasoline that is increasing, but everything that
is made from it, made with it, or transported.

And THAT includes just about everything.

So I'm really curious...
What comes next?



And in North america, virtually everything you eat, and much of what
you buy otherwise, has corn in it in one form or an other. Corn
starch, corn syrup etc. Using corn to make ethanol for fuel drives the
price of everything else made with corn up, as well as everything that
is an option to use in place of corn. A cousin works for a large
multinational cookie manufacturer. Over the last several months, the
ingredient costs have gone up 30%, mostly corn sweetener pricing, but
a lot of other stuff too, attributed to CORN PRICING.

WallMart and Loblaws have made it public they will NOT entertain any
price increses before the end of the year. Expect to see significant
fallout.
You think the "rest of the world" is ****ed about the US action on
oil????
This could be NOTHING compared to what may happen if the American
greed for corn makes food unaffordable in the poorer countries of the
world.
Richard

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
k.net...

I am remimded of a quote that said, "when otherwise intelligent people
do stupid stuff, there is usually politics involved".

So not only do we pay more for less power in our auto fuel...


http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/20...nd-for-ethanol





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clare at snyder.on.ca wrote in message ...


And in North america, virtually everything you eat, and much of what
you buy otherwise, has corn in it in one form or an other. Corn
starch, corn syrup etc. Using corn to make ethanol for fuel drives the
price of everything else made with corn up, as well as everything that
is an option to use in place of corn. A cousin works for a large
multinational cookie manufacturer. Over the last several months, the
ingredient costs have gone up 30%, mostly corn sweetener pricing, but
a lot of other stuff too, attributed to CORN PRICING.



And don't forget OIL makes the fertilizer in most cases. The 'food chain' in the USA is pretty much oil, corn (or soy),
cattle, mcdonalds...

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message k.net...
william wrote:
snip
I'm afraid food prices are just starting to go up and will continue so.


That really is the point I was reaching for.
Not just complaining about corn.

And as oil prices continue to rise we are going to be faced with some
difficult times and hard choices (like DRIVING to Osh?).

I mean, it's not just gasoline that is increasing, but everything that
is made from it, made with it, or transported.

And THAT includes just about everything.

So I'm really curious...
What comes next?


Richard



It is not gasoline at the auto fuel pumps anymore; it is gasohol! The false labeling needs to stop. It seems that
everyone I say this to says, no, they have to label the pump, and I then correct them and tell them the requirement was
dropped by congress in 2005. They are getting lower energy fuel in the name of 'gasoline.' Most are initially somewhat
shocked, but then they fall back into their consumer mode and just keep on keeping on. Amazing there is not total
outrage about this issue...

Blueskies wrote:

Amazing there is not total
outrage about this issue...



That IS why I brought it up - twice now.

Gotta start somewhere and this the about the most technically
literate news group on the net.


Richard

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
ink.net...
Blueskies wrote:

Amazing there is not total
outrage about this issue...



That IS why I brought it up - twice now.

Gotta start somewhere and this the about the most technically
literate news group on the net.


Richard

Very good point!

Peter

I saw this oneon the evening neus today.

Beer prices expected to be up 15% next year.

Noe that's going too far!

("cavelamb himself" wrote)
Beer prices expected to be up 15% next year.


http://www.epinions.com/content_1590403204
Dos Equis is coming up? ¡Ay, caramba!


Paul-Mont
http://www.reneeandsteve.com/aycarumba.htm