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"B A R R Y" wrote:


Exactly. Many VFR-only flyers envision IFR flying as full of nettlesome
complexity. Actually, the reverse is usually true.

The IR written doesn't help dispel the complexity perception. G


That ain't no lie.

I hated studying for that frickin' thing. My best advice is to get a computer
that allows yoy to take practice tests. Keep taking them until you always get
a solid passing score, go take the test and be done with it.

--
Dan
T-182T at BFM

B,

The IR written doesn't help dispel the complexity perception. G


Ah. Have a look at the European JAA written requirements. The FAA test
is child's play in comparison. WHich is to say, the JAA one is totally
overblown.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 18:20:28 -0500, Dan Luke wrote:

Nah; not if you're always going different places.

I think I'd miss playing at my crosswind envelope, or trying to get those
lazy 8s actually 8-like, or practicing a spiral descent and then spiraling
up for another try, or ...

- Andrew

On Jul 6, 7:20 pm, "Dan Luke" wrote:
"Andrew Gideon" wrote:
On the flip
side, however, many will also admit that it sucks the life right out of
flying, and many fly an old Cub or Luscombe with a compass and a chart on
weekends just to regain their flying chops.

I've heard this, but I don't completely agree. I like IFR flying, esp. in
IMC. But I'll fly any XC under IFR, even in nice weather. It's less for
the practice (I'm not sure how valuable it is, honestly, in VMC), but more
for simplicity.

Exactly. Many VFR-only flyers envision IFR flying as full of nettlesome
complexity. Actually, the reverse is usually true.

Yes. Especially if you are going to be flying in or near ADIZ's,
restricted airspace etc. Do what you're told by ATC and you'll never
bust a TFR or ADIZ -- or if you do, it isn't your fault. And "doing
what you're told" isn't bad, the controllers I fly with are pretty
accomodating and flexible.

For example, there is a restricted airspace over a major military base
near my airport that frequently requires circumnavigation when coming
fhome rom the south VFR, and also a nuke plant just to the east of
the field with similar restrictions. But when I file IFR, I often get
to fly right through the restricted airspace or over the plant. I also
get some nice views of military hardware flying under me or nearby
during those flights. I never got to fly through the restricted
airspace until I was IFR rated and now I do it routinely, under ATC
guidance.

Also, when flying to the coast there are several restricted areas to
dodge, but I file, go through or around them with ease under ATC and
then once I'm east of the last one, cancel IFR and have a nice VFR
flying day at the coast. ATC is cool with this, when they give me the
usual hint by telling me to "report cancellation on this frequency,"
I reply I will cancel as soon as I am clear of the restricted area/
nuke plant/ whatever, and they understandand are very helpful and
cooperative.

Going to an airport in the DC ADIZ is much easier on an IFR flight
plan too.

So IOW, there is significant utility to the IFR rating besides just
flying in bad weather.

"xyzzy" wrote in message oups.com...

For example, there is a restricted airspace over a major military base
near my airport that frequently requires circumnavigation when coming
fhome rom the south VFR, and also a nuke plant just to the east of
the field with similar restrictions.

Nuke plant? Restricted area? Where?

On Jul 9, 8:02 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
"xyzzy" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

For example, there is a restricted airspace over a major military base
near my airport that frequently requires circumnavigation when coming
fhome rom the south VFR, and also a nuke plant just to the east of
the field with similar restrictions.

Nuke plant? Restricted area? Where?

KTTA. Nuke plant about 7 miles to the east, several military bases to
the south (Ft. Bragg, Pope AFB, etc).

"xyzzy" wrote in message oups.com...
On Jul 9, 8:02 pm, "Blueskies" wrote:
"xyzzy" wrote in ooglegroups.com...

For example, there is a restricted airspace over a major military base
near my airport that frequently requires circumnavigation when coming
fhome rom the south VFR, and also a nuke plant just to the east of
the field with similar restrictions.

Nuke plant? Restricted area? Where?

KTTA. Nuke plant about 7 miles to the east, several military bases to
the south (Ft. Bragg, Pope AFB, etc).


Don't see any nuke plant restricted area. I don't think there is any such thing. TFR, maybe, and they only say not to
loiter...

I see the Semour MOA to the east and R5311 to the south...

xyzzy wrote in
oups.com:


Exactly. Many VFR-only flyers envision IFR flying as full of
nettlesome complexity. Actually, the reverse is usually true.

Yes. Especially if you are going to be flying in or near ADIZ's,
restricted airspace etc. Do what you're told by ATC and you'll never
bust a TFR or ADIZ -- or if you do, it isn't your fault. And "doing
what you're told" isn't bad, the controllers I fly with are pretty
accomodating and flexible.

For example, there is a restricted airspace over a major military base
near my airport that frequently requires circumnavigation when coming
fhome rom the south VFR, and also a nuke plant just to the east of
the field with similar restrictions. But when I file IFR, I often get
to fly right through the restricted airspace or over the plant. I also
get some nice views of military hardware flying under me or nearby
during those flights. I never got to fly through the restricted
airspace until I was IFR rated and now I do it routinely, under ATC
guidance.

Many, many times I've been cleared into restricted airspace while VFR.
All I needed to do was call ATC and ask. This includes military air bases
(both Air Force and Navy), nuclear sites and a TFR as well as Bravo
airspace. Conversely, while IFR I've been vectored around Bravo airspace
and restricted airspace.

--
Marty Shapiro
Silicon Rallye Inc.

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xyzzy wrote:

So IOW, there is significant utility to the IFR rating besides just
flying in bad weather.

Not to mention, how many times have you heard this while VFR and waiting
to depart or arrive at a busy field?

"Hold on for a few minutes, guys. We need to get an IFR departure out,
then we'll work you guys in..."

On Jul 10, 7:35 am, B A R R Y wrote:
xyzzy wrote:

So IOW, there is significant utility to the IFR rating besides just
flying in bad weather.

Not to mention, how many times have you heard this while VFR and waiting
to depart or arrive at a busy field?

"Hold on for a few minutes, guys. We need to get an IFR departure out,
then we'll work you guys in..."

Yup, before I was IFR rated I flew in a club trip to IAD. I was VFR,
three other airplanes of the exact same type were IFR. I took off
first, landed last. I got bottom priority and vectored all over the
place in the DC area, while the IFR guys just went right in. The plane
I was in, flying VFR, put 1 hour more on the hobbes than the IFR
planes that were the same type and took the same trip at the same
time.