Israeli Air Force to lose Middle East Air Superiority Capability to the Saudis in the near future

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On 17 Sep 2003 08:41:16 -0700, robert arndt
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Has Tehran threatened to attack Israel? Has anybody in Tehran threatened
to
attack Dimona? To "burn down" the whole Israel or whatever else?



Not just someone, but rafsanjani himself who still have power in Iran,
has said not long ago that Iran should nuke Israel:


http://www.iran-press-service.com/ar...ats_141201.htm

Ah, of course. I understand now everything. This statement is worth as much
as when one of the radical Jewish parties in Israel declares something of
the kind....


I leave the interpretation for you (and for the other NG readers) in
this case.
You asked:
Has anybody in Tehran threatened to attack Dimona? To "burn down" the
whole Israel or whatever else?

So I showed you that the answer is yes.

Also:

1. Not even _one_ statement by _any_ party in Israel threatened to
destroy Iran in the last decade. I challenge you to stand behind your
words and to provide a link to prove them.
2. Rafsanjani is not just a non-important extremist party. He is the
former president of Iran and has a lot of power to this day.


Clearly, that's a part of the political and religious life in the Middle
East: I guess it might be not a bad idea to let all such characters solve
the matter between themselves.



see above



And if it's not enough that the clergi their is anxious to nuke Israel
then their "reformist" president, khatami was also throwing poison at
Israel when Iran introduced the Shihab 3.

He stated that Israel is a threat for security in the Middle East. And, that
is truth. Nothing else.



He was doing it in the ceremony of the introduction of the Shihab 3,
and Israel was the only foreign country mentioned in that ceremony.
Anyone who knows something about international relations would tell
you that your analysis is wrong. This was a direct threat on Israel.

Also, see the interpretation of Khatami's reference to Israel in
Iranscope. I posted it bellow.


Strong Iran is a guarantee for the peace in the Persian Gulf area, as - and
this is something everybody interested should know - as soon as Iran is not
strong there is a war, as somebody attacks it.



Could be.
But lets not forget that "Tehran threatened to attack Dimona, or to
"burn down" the whole Israel or whatever else".



Did you notice the difference between Iran's and Israel's approach?

No. I haven't. Sharon also threatened already several times that Israel will
destroy Bushehr. There were also threats with other stuff.


I don't remember Sharon publicly ever threatened to attack any nuclear
facility in Iran. Not even once.
If you could bring a prove to your claims it could be very helpful for
this debate.
I follow closely this subject and Israel declared that there is a
growing threat from Iran, but never talked about military action to
neutralize this threat.

I'm posting again the official Israeli Foreign Ministry announced.
This announcement was made after the ceremony of the introduction of
the Shihab 3.

"
the Foreign Ministry said yesterday
it does not perceive Iran as an enemy and does not threaten the
Iranian regime.
"



Even when the F
As said: that's how specific countries communicate on official lines since
decades. Sorry, I don't see the difference.



I'm also posting an article from Iranscope:

Who is Sam Ghandchi so that you consider him that authoritative?


info about Sam Ghandchi:
http://www.ghandchi.com/05-My_Profile.htm

Sam Ghandchi is an Iranian futurist and a journalist. I find his
opinion as representing the mainstream opinions of the exiled Iranian
community.

please read the article I posted in my previous post.



Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585

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I leave the interpretation for you (and for the other NG readers) in
this case.
You asked:
Has anybody in Tehran threatened to attack Dimona? To "burn down" the
whole Israel or whatever else?

So I showed you that the answer is yes.

You're, of course, right, Quant. Heck, must be Israel again supplied Iran a
shipment of malfunctioning MIM-23 I-HAWKs with Magen David star painted on
the fins, so ol' Raf got mad again....

At least I sincerely can't imagine any other reason for such an outburst of
hatred...

Also:

1. Not even _one_ statement by _any_ party in Israel threatened to
destroy Iran in the last decade. I challenge you to stand behind your
words and to provide a link to prove them.

You have my most sincere and humble apology. I will never again come to the
idea to blame Israel for anything - until the next threatening statement
from an Israeli politician or another Israeli ignorant aggression (in that
way I'll save myself the time I'd need to find all the stuff you asked for
on the internet).

2. Rafsanjani is not just a non-important extremist party. He is the
former president of Iran and has a lot of power to this day.

I can only cite you he see above.

And if it's not enough that the clergi their is anxious to nuke Israel
then their "reformist" president, khatami was also throwing poison at
Israel when Iran introduced the Shihab 3.

He stated that Israel is a threat for security in the Middle East. And,
that
is truth. Nothing else.

He was doing it in the ceremony of the introduction of the Shihab 3,
and Israel was the only foreign country mentioned in that ceremony.

You're right again. This is a clear and obvious sign of Iranian preparations
for a nuclear attack on Israel. I'll report this to DEBKAfile.com: they
announced such attacks on Israel by Syria and Iran already several times -
and were obviously right by doing so.

Anyone who knows something about international relations would tell
you that your analysis is wrong. This was a direct threat on Israel.

I admit my mistake, and I'm asking you for your apology. As said above: I'll
never again come to the idea to say that Israel is a threat for anybody -
until the next Israeli threat.

Also, see the interpretation of Khatami's reference to Israel in
Iranscope. I posted it bellow.

Khatami is Rafsanjani's marionette. Everybody knows this.

Strong Iran is a guarantee for the peace in the Persian Gulf area, as -
and
this is something everybody interested should know - as soon as Iran is
not
strong there is a war, as somebody attacks it.

Could be.
But lets not forget that "Tehran threatened to attack Dimona, or to
"burn down" the whole Israel or whatever else".

Right so: Israel should attack them as first. There is obviously a need for
pre-emptive action. That will certainly establish a stabile peace.

Did you notice the difference between Iran's and Israel's approach?

No. I haven't. Sharon also threatened already several times that Israel
will
destroy Bushehr. There were also threats with other stuff.

I don't remember Sharon publicly ever threatened to attack any nuclear
facility in Iran. Not even once.
If you could bring a prove to your claims it could be very helpful for
this debate.

Excuse me that I'm not going to lose my time for searching on the internet
for Sharon's statements. Accept my explanation that you are right and I am
wrong: Israel was never a threat for anybody. It never attacked anybody.
Israel was never an aggressor, nor has it taken what is not belonging to
Israel, or ignored international laws, decisions, and regulations.

In addition, I want to make clear here, that Israel is also poorely armed -
almost defenceless - compared to its neighbours.

I follow closely this subject and Israel declared that there is a
growing threat from Iran, but never talked about military action to
neutralize this threat.

Correct. This NEEEEVER happened.

I'm posting again the official Israeli Foreign Ministry announced.
This announcement was made after the ceremony of the introduction of
the Shihab 3.

Please, gimme more. I'll read it while I hear Stones' "I can't get no
satisfaction".

Tom Cooper
Co-Author:
Iran-Iraq War in the Air, 1980-1988:
http://www.acig.org/pg1/content.php
and,
Iranian F-4 Phantom II Units in Combat:
http://www.osprey-publishing.co.uk/t...hp/title=S6585