Harvey Field Endangered

. We are indeed
stopped from making a reasonable sized runway, and have to treat every
landing as a short field landing. We're planning to do what we can to
fight this,

Has the runway been shortened recently? Why the reference to a short field
landing?

I haven't stopped at Harvey recently and thought it was still 2700 feet. I
don't have a current chart or AFD handy to check myself.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A
KPLU

Has the runway been shortened recently? Why the reference to a short field
landing?

I haven't stopped at Harvey recently and thought it was still 2700 feet. I
don't have a current chart or AFD handy to check myself.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A
KPLU

S43 HARVEY FIELD
14L/32R 2671x36; ASPH-G NSTD R/L
14R/32L 2671x100; TURF-E L/L
NOISE ABATEMENT PROCEDURES IN EFFECT; CTC AMGR
360-568-1541.
RY 14L-32R DSPLCD THLDS MKD BY PAINTED WHITE LINES.
HELICOPTER TRNG WEST OF RYS 500 FT & BLO.
ARRIVING HELICOPTER TRAFFIC APPROACH HELIPADS FROM
EAST. ARRIVING/DEPARTING HELICOPTER TRAFFIC AVOID
FLIGHT THRU (PAJA) DROP ZONE.
NSTD LIRL; THLD LIGHTS 360 DEGS GREEN.
RY14/32 DSPLCD THLDSS MKD BY PAINTED WHITE LINES.
RWY 14L APCH SLOPE 14:1 TO +40 FT PLINE 590 FT FM
DSPLCD THR.
RWY 14R APCH SLOPE 14:1 FM DSPLCD THR.
RWY 32L APPCH SLOPE 6:1 FROM DSPLCD THLD.
RWY 32R APCH SLOPE 6:1 FROM DSPLCD THLD.
HI VOLTAGE P-LINE 22 FT HIGH 32 FT FM AER 14 & 25 FT FM
MARKER LINE AT 106 FT.
RD 50' FM THR; +10' FNC POSTS WITH RED LGTS 50' FM THR;
10' LINE WITH LGTS & FLAGS AT 80'.
ONE WIND CONE ONE TEE.
NON STD TRAFFIC PATTERN INDICATOR LCTD NEAR WIND
CONE.
ESTABD PRIOR TO 15 MAY 1959.

Tri-Pacer wrote:
. We are indeed
stopped from making a reasonable sized runway, and have to treat every
landing as a short field landing. We're planning to do what we can to
fight this,

Has the runway been shortened recently? Why the reference to a short field
landing?

I haven't stopped at Harvey recently and thought it was still 2700 feet. I
don't have a current chart or AFD handy to check myself.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A
KPLU



I agree, my private strip is 1330 feet and I don't have any problem with
my Pacer, but some low-land folks need 3500' cuz they cross the numbers
at 1000' on routine landings.

--
"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool."
—- Voltaire

On 2007-08-06 08:26:45 -0700, said:

C.J.,

Here is what my friend Glenn (former AOPA ASN volunteer) told me:

The airport is still going like gangbusters. Its status is
grandfathered, so it isn't shutting down any time soon. We are indeed
stopped from making a reasonable sized runway, and have to treat every
landing as a short field landing. We're planning to do what we can to
fight this, as the CLOMR is being reevaluated and things could
change. People played politics to do what they did to the airport.
Without expansion, the existing tenants have to pay for the increases
in property taxes that are skyrocketing. I'd like to spread those tax
increases across some new tenants.

Charles Hower volunteered to be the AOPA ASN rep. He has a 6 month
appointment to see if it goes well. If I want it back, I can have
it. I'm hoping he does a good job and can just take it over, but I'm
still supposed to be working on this. I'm sort of recovering from
many months of 60 hour weeks and haven't dived into this yet.

The airport actually does flood. The last one was in late 2006, and
we lucked out. Despite having to evacuate all aircraft and empty the
shop, it didn't even get the floor wet in the shop. Parked aircraft
still needed to be moved from the lower areas.


Glenn

Well, there is a major article coming out in the next issue of Wings
that you might want to read.
--
Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

Charles Hower volunteered to be the AOPA ASN rep. He has a 6 month
appointment to see if it goes well. If I want it back, I can have
it.

??

I'm Iowa City's AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer. To my
knowledge there is no "term" -- you just do it until you tell AOPA you
don't want to do it anymore.

Maybe out by you there is such a surplus of guys wanting to do this
job that they must divvy it up into 6 month terms? Around here, most
of our airports can't buy an ASN rep, let alone find a volunteer...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

On Aug 9, 5:26 am, Jay Honeck wrote:
Charles Hower volunteered to be the AOPA ASN rep. He has a 6 month
appointment to see if it goes well. If I want it back, I can have
it.

??

I'm Iowa City's AOPA Airport Support Network volunteer. To my
knowledge there is no "term" -- you just do it until you tell AOPA you
don't want to do it anymore.

Maybe out by you there is such a surplus of guys wanting to do this
job that they must divvy it up into 6 month terms? Around here, most
of our airports can't buy an ASN rep, let alone find a volunteer...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

Harvey Field has quite a few tenants, and a close-knit community of
pilots. I'm sure that there isn't a problem getting someone on the
hook as the ASN rep there, or doing a hand-off. Your airport
situation is likely much different... Harvey Field is located in a
bedroom community in the Seattle Metro area which is a much different
circumstance than Iowa City.

Dean

On Aug 3, 9:43 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
To date, letters
to Snohomish County commissioners have been running 100 to 1 against
the airport.

Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

MY own observation of one occurrence is that the pilots will HAVE to
get highly organized, which is not their normal state.
Here in Chandler, AZ, the anti-airport crazies showed just how
organized they can be, and it was a very impressive grass-roots
effort. Unfortunately, there wasn't any integrity at all to their
campaign, but accuracy doesn't get a vote.

Since pilots are a minority of the population, it gets very
challenging to win a vote.

In article .com,
wrote:

On Aug 3, 9:43 pm, C J Campbell
wrote:
To date, letters
to Snohomish County commissioners have been running 100 to 1 against
the airport.

Waddling Eagle
World Famous Flight Instructor

MY own observation of one occurrence is that the pilots will HAVE to
get highly organized, which is not their normal state.
Here in Chandler, AZ, the anti-airport crazies showed just how
organized they can be, and it was a very impressive grass-roots
effort. Unfortunately, there wasn't any integrity at all to their
campaign, but accuracy doesn't get a vote.

Since pilots are a minority of the population, it gets very
challenging to win a vote.

Since developers are behind most of the anti-airport action, you can
expect them to lie, exaggerate and rabble-rouse to the max. Just look at
Hamilton AFB, Reid-Hillview, Moffett, Sand Point, El Toro, for starters.

Developers are the biggest campaign contributors in the country, at
state and local levels. It is an uphill battle, but it CAN be won!

On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:18:36 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote in
:

Since developers are behind most of the anti-airport action, you can
expect them to lie, exaggerate and rabble-rouse to the max. Just look at
Hamilton AFB, Reid-Hillview, Moffett, Sand Point, El Toro, for starters.

Developers are the biggest campaign contributors in the country, at
state and local levels. It is an uphill battle, but it CAN be won!

Nobody likes being lied to. Look what it's done to Bush's popularity.

If the anti-airport activist's exaggerations and outright lies can be
publicly exposed in the news media, their public support will diminish
and their attempt to close the airport will be rendered impotent.

Someone needs to address the issues raised in their brochures and
press releases point by point, and expose their deliberate attempts to
mislead the public, and get it published in the local newspapers.

Do the anti-airport activists have a web site on-line?

On Aug 8, 8:54 am, Larry Dighera wrote:
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 15:18:36 GMT, Orval Fairbairn
wrote in
:

Since developers are behind most of the anti-airport action, you can
expect them to lie, exaggerate and rabble-rouse to the max. Just look at
Hamilton AFB, Reid-Hillview, Moffett, Sand Point, El Toro, for starters.

Developers are the biggest campaign contributors in the country, at
state and local levels. It is an uphill battle, but it CAN be won!

Nobody likes being lied to. Look what it's done to Bush's popularity.

If the anti-airport activist's exaggerations and outright lies can be
publicly exposed in the news media, their public support will diminish
and their attempt to close the airport will be rendered impotent.

Someone needs to address the issues raised in their brochures and
press releases point by point, and expose their deliberate attempts to
mislead the public, and get it published in the local newspapers.

Do the anti-airport activists have a web site on-line?

In the case of Chandler, yes they did.
But this was a one-sided battle. There had been an election before,
and the anti-airport people were still very organized. Signs came out
en masse, and very quickly. They convinced people that "airport
noise hurts property values". Pure bunk, since most of the anti gang
lived near the airport and had very expensive property. Since pilots
are a small minority, and the majority are therefore not in aviation-
related interests and don't care, it doesn't take much to win against
an airport. If a group is opposed to something, they can be easily
mobilized for an election. If the other side is blase', they can't be
mustered, and then all sorts of mischief can occur.

I like (hah) the claim that airports aren't "self-sufficient". An
airport is a transportation hub. So are roads. Are roads self-
sufficient (other than the few toll roads, which are a different
story)? Is the road in front of your house or business self-
sufficient? No, but the tax support from other sources allows the
roads to be there, so that those businesses and homes are accessible.
Airports are an integral part of a complete transportation system.
Furthermore, they are analogous to only needing driveways, not the
entire road network. In that respect they are very efficient.

The real shame was the absolutely beautiful political acumen of the
anti-airport gang. The way this was run should be in a textbook--it
was pure classic stuff and highly effective. Too bad it was
dishonest. They even allied themselves openly with another "anti"
group. A company called Covance, which is involved in drug testing
and uses live animals, is building a facility right near the airport.
So the anti-airport people allied themselves with the anti-Covance
group, since "Covance officials will fly big jets into Chandler
(false)..." and cooperated. Now, I see letters to the editor
proclaiming anti-Covance stances, and the names are faimiliar from the
anti-airport campaign.

I wasn't sure about Covance, but I don't like being lied to, so I am
now firmly in the pro-Covance side.

Chandler city council isn't too bright either. I had higher hopes for
them since we bounced half of a bad clique out in the last election.
But they recently allowed a developer to build 16 homes in the million
dollar range right into the airport development zone. Thanks a lot.
That's 15 households that will complain about the noise the day they
move in--NEXT TO THE AIRPORT!!!!!

I think the battle is a longer one. Don't wait until an election to
try to tell the story. Over a few years, mount an effective campaign
that touts the benefits of the airport. We have to gain support long
before the contest.